The Crime
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Many of the people calling for a return to "normalcy" are not snowflakes, nor are they idiots. They are tired of living a restricted life, one that may have restrictions in perpetuity. At some point, it ceases to be life and turns into a Howard Hughes nightmare scenario of Chinese water torture via coronavirus.
So you're saying they have a right to demand to do everything they want to do and not be inconvenienced anymore because it's hell to not go to baseball games. Give me a fucking break. Yes, they're a bunch of damn sissies and snowflakes. For all the big talk about bootstraps, these people wouldn't survive a week of 1940s blackout drills. They'd be lighting Freedom Fires and getting blown to shit by the Germans. Selfish ninnies not accustomed to the concept of social cooperation.
It's not "restrictions in perpetuity," things have almost completely relaxed already. And we're months away from a vaccine. If that never happens, okay, fuck it, let's roll the dice with herd immunity. But a couple months of being careful isn't Auschwitz for shit's sake.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:
For all the big talk about bootstraps, these people wouldn't survive a week of 1940s blackout drills.
Interesting (and good) comment. Maybe some parallel to what people did in the World War 2.
Fighing an enemy
not knowing how long it would be
making sacrifices to defeat the enemy
etc.(and the sacrifices we are asked to make now are so much less than then).
There was a meme earlier (maybe even on our COVID meme thread) that said something like:
In an earlier time, people your age were asked to go off to war to fight the enemy.
You are being asked to sit on your couch.
I think you can handle it!! LOL -
Yes, they have the right to live their lives
The economy gets worse every day
Careers are being ruined, lives are being ruined
The Governors emergency power shouldn't last forever, nor should it last much longer
The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
Zero
Why ruin their lives over nothing?
Yes, nothing - zero
Certainly not a big scary pandemic
Over age 20, is a different story
But still we have gone way over the line
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:
For all the big talk about bootstraps, these people wouldn't survive a week of 1940s blackout drills.
Interesting (and good) comment. Maybe some parallel to what people did in the World War 2.
Fighing an enemy
not knowing how long it would be
making sacrifices to defeat the enemy
etc.(and the sacrifices we are asked to make now are so much less than then).
There was a meme earlier (maybe even on our COVID meme thread) that said something like:
In an earlier time, people your age were asked to go off to war to fight the enemy.
You are being asked to sit on your couch.
I think you can handle it!! LOL@taiwan_girl said in The Crime:
(and the sacrifices we are asked to make now are so much less than then).
I'm sorry (not sorry), but that's undeniable. Facetime > letters from a limited mail service. Instacart > freedom gardens. Social distancing for 1 year > blackouts for 5. Limited gatherings > ration books, cold showers, scrap drives, nurse volunteers and war bonds. Do what you tell the derelict poor to do and do your fucking part.
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Yes, they have the right to live their lives
The economy gets worse every day
Careers are being ruined, lives are being ruined
The Governors emergency power shouldn't last forever, nor should it last much longer
The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
Zero
Why ruin their lives over nothing?
Yes, nothing - zero
Certainly not a big scary pandemic
Over age 20, is a different story
But still we have gone way over the line
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The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
Zero
Why ruin their lives over nothing?You know they can infect others, right?
No, Copper's justifying the behavior he's not willing to change for any reason.
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And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...
I’d rather not be infected (mostly due to unknowns around COVID morbidity).
I’ll wait until a vaccine to “get back to normal”
You can wait, the virus may not.
Right, right. I’ll continue to be cautious until then is what I mean. If I get infected, I get infected.
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The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
Zero
Why ruin their lives over nothing?You know they can infect others, right?
No, Copper's justifying the behavior he's not willing to change for any reason.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:
The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
Zero
Why ruin their lives over nothing?You know they can infect others, right?
No, Copper's justifying the behavior he's not willing to change for any reason.
What is the goal? Where is the limit?
Should we destroy every business in the world to save a few old people who will die soon anyway?
That is what it is beginning to sound like to me.
My behavior means nothing. I’m one of those old folks who must live forever at all costs. I just hide in the house hoping the virus doesn’t get me.
I’m just asking for a little realistic, rational thought about this whole stupid mess. Set limits.
You can get by accusing everyone of selfishness for a while, but not forever.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:
The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
Zero
Why ruin their lives over nothing?You know they can infect others, right?
No, Copper's justifying the behavior he's not willing to change for any reason.
What is the goal? Where is the limit?
Should we destroy every business in the world to save a few old people who will die soon anyway?
That is what it is beginning to sound like to me.
My behavior means nothing. I’m one of those old folks who must live forever at all costs. I just hide in the house hoping the virus doesn’t get me.
I’m just asking for a little realistic, rational thought about this whole stupid mess. Set limits.
You can get by accusing everyone of selfishness for a while, but not forever.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:
The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
Zero
Why ruin their lives over nothing?You know they can infect others, right?
No, Copper's justifying the behavior he's not willing to change for any reason.
What is the goal? Where is the limit?
Should we destroy every business in the world to save a few old people who will die soon anyway?
That is what it is beginning to sound like to me.
My behavior means nothing. I’m one of those old folks who must live forever at all costs. I just hide in the house hoping the virus doesn’t get me.
I’m just asking for a little realistic, rational thought about this whole stupid mess. Set limits.
You can get by accusing everyone of selfishness for a while, but not forever.
Other people can do what they want. My need to go to restaurants, bars and in planes just isn’t that great.
So I’m personally going to avoid them.
If enough people act like me the economy will suffer until this is figured out.
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I think it is a very good point that the answer to COVID must factor in all relevant consequences. Avoiding COVID deaths isn't the only, and not even necessarily the most important goal. It's a balancing act. In the response so far, too little thought was given about the side effects of closures. It's also regrettable that the goal has shifted in many people's mind, at least over here, from "slow down the spread to avoid overflowing hospitals" to "we must get to 0 infections".
The school closures here have done a lot of damage that we'll still feel for decades. My own kids are already showing signs of psychological distress, although we are among the least affected.
My wife had to tell people that they can't visit their dying partner or child in the hospital.
Many old people have been thrown completely under the bus due to isolation. Just a tiny example: My mother used to play bridge with a 93 year old lady. After a few months of lockdown, she has now forgotten how to play the game and has now lost her main social activity for the rest of her life. She turned from an autonomous individual to a senile person dependent on care. Millions of these "small deaths" have occured in the last months.
I'm fine with wearing masks, canceling mass events and other measures that follow a "80/20" philosophy.
But they should never again close schools, for instance.
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Great post, Klaus.
Education is extremely important.
