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  • JollyJ Jolly

    @Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

    @Jolly said in The Crime:

    They have a right, after a certain point, to take their chances with the disease, since they cannot avoid it. If you (generic you) wish to take precautions, by all means do it. If the most vulnerable among us, nursing home oatient, etc., need special precautions accommodate them.

    But they're not just taking their chances. They're a risk for everyone they get into contact with.

    People are at risk, anyway. The question is how much risk is tolerable?

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    Aqua Letifer
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    @Jolly said in The Crime:

    @Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

    @Jolly said in The Crime:

    They have a right, after a certain point, to take their chances with the disease, since they cannot avoid it. If you (generic you) wish to take precautions, by all means do it. If the most vulnerable among us, nursing home oatient, etc., need special precautions accommodate them.

    But they're not just taking their chances. They're a risk for everyone they get into contact with.

    People are at risk, anyway. The question is how much risk is tolerable?

    I would say some risk. But they don't get to do everything they damn well want because they don't have the fortitude to be considerate. Sorry. It's gross just how little people are willing to do: no masks, no holding off on mass events, no holding off on visiting the elderly after you've gone to said mass events, etc.

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      Jolly
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      #17

      I think down here, the major inconveniences are church, bars, sporting events and school...Not necessarily in that order.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        I think down here, the major inconveniences are church, bars, sporting events and school...Not necessarily in that order.

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        Aqua Letifer
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        #18

        @Jolly said in The Crime:

        I think down here, the major inconveniences are church, bars, sporting events and school...Not necessarily in that order.

        School's definitely an issue. I'd say sure, Church too, but up here, open-air services have become a thing. I don't see why that can't be done down there.

        As for bars and sporting events... suck it the hell up.

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          #19

          This is Louisiana. Football and bars are akin to church.😄

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            This is Louisiana. Football and bars are akin to church.😄

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            Aqua Letifer
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            #20

            @Jolly said in The Crime:

            This is Louisiana. Football and bars are akin to church.😄

            Can play without a crowd. As for bars, yeah, gonna have to find something else to do for a little while until we figure this out.

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            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

              @Jolly said in The Crime:

              Many of the people calling for a return to "normalcy" are not snowflakes, nor are they idiots. They are tired of living a restricted life, one that may have restrictions in perpetuity. At some point, it ceases to be life and turns into a Howard Hughes nightmare scenario of Chinese water torture via coronavirus.

              So you're saying they have a right to demand to do everything they want to do and not be inconvenienced anymore because it's hell to not go to baseball games. Give me a fucking break. Yes, they're a bunch of damn sissies and snowflakes. For all the big talk about bootstraps, these people wouldn't survive a week of 1940s blackout drills. They'd be lighting Freedom Fires and getting blown to shit by the Germans. Selfish ninnies not accustomed to the concept of social cooperation.

              It's not "restrictions in perpetuity," things have almost completely relaxed already. And we're months away from a vaccine. If that never happens, okay, fuck it, let's roll the dice with herd immunity. But a couple months of being careful isn't Auschwitz for shit's sake.

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              @Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

              For all the big talk about bootstraps, these people wouldn't survive a week of 1940s blackout drills.

              Interesting (and good) comment. Maybe some parallel to what people did in the World War 2.

              Fighing an enemy
              not knowing how long it would be
              making sacrifices to defeat the enemy
              etc.

              (and the sacrifices we are asked to make now are so much less than then).

              There was a meme earlier (maybe even on our COVID meme thread) that said something like:

              In an earlier time, people your age were asked to go off to war to fight the enemy.
              You are being asked to sit on your couch.
              I think you can handle it!! LOL

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                Yes, they have the right to live their lives

                The economy gets worse every day

                Careers are being ruined, lives are being ruined

                The Governors emergency power shouldn't last forever, nor should it last much longer

                The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero

                Zero

                Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                Yes, nothing - zero

                Certainly not a big scary pandemic

                Over age 20, is a different story

                But still we have gone way over the line

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                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

                  For all the big talk about bootstraps, these people wouldn't survive a week of 1940s blackout drills.

                  Interesting (and good) comment. Maybe some parallel to what people did in the World War 2.

                  Fighing an enemy
                  not knowing how long it would be
                  making sacrifices to defeat the enemy
                  etc.

                  (and the sacrifices we are asked to make now are so much less than then).

                  There was a meme earlier (maybe even on our COVID meme thread) that said something like:

                  In an earlier time, people your age were asked to go off to war to fight the enemy.
                  You are being asked to sit on your couch.
                  I think you can handle it!! LOL

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                  Aqua Letifer
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                  #23

                  @taiwan_girl said in The Crime:

                  (and the sacrifices we are asked to make now are so much less than then).

                  I'm sorry (not sorry), but that's undeniable. Facetime > letters from a limited mail service. Instacart > freedom gardens. Social distancing for 1 year > blackouts for 5. Limited gatherings > ration books, cold showers, scrap drives, nurse volunteers and war bonds. Do what you tell the derelict poor to do and do your fucking part.

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                    #24

                    Maybe I misread it but I simply don’t believe the study if they say more than a quarter of 18-24 year olds have thought about killing themselves over the last month. No way. Probably isn’t even 1/10 of that figure.

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                    • CopperC Copper

                      Yes, they have the right to live their lives

                      The economy gets worse every day

                      Careers are being ruined, lives are being ruined

                      The Governors emergency power shouldn't last forever, nor should it last much longer

                      The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero

                      Zero

                      Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                      Yes, nothing - zero

                      Certainly not a big scary pandemic

                      Over age 20, is a different story

                      But still we have gone way over the line

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                      #25

                      @Copper said in The Crime:

                      The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
                      Zero
                      Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                      You know they can infect others, right?

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                      • 89th8 89th

                        @Copper said in The Crime:

                        The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
                        Zero
                        Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                        You know they can infect others, right?

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                        Aqua Letifer
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #26

                        @89th said in The Crime:

                        @Copper said in The Crime:

                        The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
                        Zero
                        Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                        You know they can infect others, right?

                        No, Copper's justifying the behavior he's not willing to change for any reason.

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                          Jolly
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                          #27

                          And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

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                            xenon
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                            #28

                            @Jolly said in The Crime:

                            And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

                            I’d rather not be infected (mostly due to unknowns around COVID morbidity).

                            I’ll wait until a vaccine to “get back to normal”

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                              @Jolly said in The Crime:

                              And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

                              I’d rather not be infected (mostly due to unknowns around COVID morbidity).

                              I’ll wait until a vaccine to “get back to normal”

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #29

                              @xenon said in The Crime:

                              @Jolly said in The Crime:

                              And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

                              I’d rather not be infected (mostly due to unknowns around COVID morbidity).

                              I’ll wait until a vaccine to “get back to normal”

                              You can wait, the virus may not.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @xenon said in The Crime:

                                @Jolly said in The Crime:

                                And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

                                I’d rather not be infected (mostly due to unknowns around COVID morbidity).

                                I’ll wait until a vaccine to “get back to normal”

                                You can wait, the virus may not.

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                                xenon
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                                @Jolly said in The Crime:

                                @xenon said in The Crime:

                                @Jolly said in The Crime:

                                And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

                                I’d rather not be infected (mostly due to unknowns around COVID morbidity).

                                I’ll wait until a vaccine to “get back to normal”

                                You can wait, the virus may not.

                                Right, right. I’ll continue to be cautious until then is what I mean. If I get infected, I get infected.

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

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                                  Aqua Letifer
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                                  #31

                                  @Jolly said in The Crime:

                                  And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

                                  So let's do nothing, right? Never took you for a nihilist.

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                                  • 89th8 89th

                                    @Copper said in The Crime:

                                    The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
                                    Zero
                                    Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                                    You know they can infect others, right?

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                                    @89th said in The Crime:

                                    @Copper said in The Crime:

                                    The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
                                    Zero
                                    Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                                    You know they can infect others, right?

                                    Yes, of course, we are all experts in this now.

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                                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                      @89th said in The Crime:

                                      @Copper said in The Crime:

                                      The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
                                      Zero
                                      Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                                      You know they can infect others, right?

                                      No, Copper's justifying the behavior he's not willing to change for any reason.

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                                      Copper
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                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

                                      @89th said in The Crime:

                                      @Copper said in The Crime:

                                      The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
                                      Zero
                                      Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                                      You know they can infect others, right?

                                      No, Copper's justifying the behavior he's not willing to change for any reason.

                                      What is the goal? Where is the limit?

                                      Should we destroy every business in the world to save a few old people who will die soon anyway?

                                      That is what it is beginning to sound like to me.

                                      My behavior means nothing. I’m one of those old folks who must live forever at all costs. I just hide in the house hoping the virus doesn’t get me.

                                      I’m just asking for a little realistic, rational thought about this whole stupid mess. Set limits.

                                      You can get by accusing everyone of selfishness for a while, but not forever.

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                                      • CopperC Copper

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

                                        @89th said in The Crime:

                                        @Copper said in The Crime:

                                        The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
                                        Zero
                                        Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                                        You know they can infect others, right?

                                        No, Copper's justifying the behavior he's not willing to change for any reason.

                                        What is the goal? Where is the limit?

                                        Should we destroy every business in the world to save a few old people who will die soon anyway?

                                        That is what it is beginning to sound like to me.

                                        My behavior means nothing. I’m one of those old folks who must live forever at all costs. I just hide in the house hoping the virus doesn’t get me.

                                        I’m just asking for a little realistic, rational thought about this whole stupid mess. Set limits.

                                        You can get by accusing everyone of selfishness for a while, but not forever.

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                                        xenon
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                                        #34

                                        @Copper said in The Crime:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

                                        @89th said in The Crime:

                                        @Copper said in The Crime:

                                        The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
                                        Zero
                                        Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                                        You know they can infect others, right?

                                        No, Copper's justifying the behavior he's not willing to change for any reason.

                                        What is the goal? Where is the limit?

                                        Should we destroy every business in the world to save a few old people who will die soon anyway?

                                        That is what it is beginning to sound like to me.

                                        My behavior means nothing. I’m one of those old folks who must live forever at all costs. I just hide in the house hoping the virus doesn’t get me.

                                        I’m just asking for a little realistic, rational thought about this whole stupid mess. Set limits.

                                        You can get by accusing everyone of selfishness for a while, but not forever.

                                        Other people can do what they want. My need to go to restaurants, bars and in planes just isn’t that great.

                                        So I’m personally going to avoid them.

                                        If enough people act like me the economy will suffer until this is figured out.

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