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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    #11

    What are you constrained from doing at the moment?

    Here even the gyms are open starting tomorrow. Schools allowed to open statewide. Bar service if it’s a restaurant too. Pools open, beach open. Trains running.

    Ok no crowds at the Yankees games. No broadway. Neither figured large in my day to day life.

    Only non-witches get due process.

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      @Copper said in The Crime:

      It is time.

      You can't run, you can't hide. the goal was to flatten the curve, because anybody with any infection control training at all knows you cannot eradicate a highly contagious virus until it burns itself out...And with mutations, that may never happen.

      Many of the people calling for a return to "normalcy" are not snowflakes, nor are they idiots. They are tired of living a restricted life, one that may have restrictions in perpetuity. At some point, it ceases to be life and turns into a Howard Hughes nightmare scenario of Chinese water torture via coronavirus.

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      @Jolly said in The Crime:

      Many of the people calling for a return to "normalcy" are not snowflakes, nor are they idiots. They are tired of living a restricted life, one that may have restrictions in perpetuity. At some point, it ceases to be life and turns into a Howard Hughes nightmare scenario of Chinese water torture via coronavirus.

      So you're saying they have a right to demand to do everything they want to do and not be inconvenienced anymore because it's hell to not go to baseball games. Give me a fucking break. Yes, they're a bunch of damn sissies and snowflakes. For all the big talk about bootstraps, these people wouldn't survive a week of 1940s blackout drills. They'd be lighting Freedom Fires and getting blown to shit by the Germans. Selfish ninnies not accustomed to the concept of social cooperation.

      It's not "restrictions in perpetuity," things have almost completely relaxed already. And we're months away from a vaccine. If that never happens, okay, fuck it, let's roll the dice with herd immunity. But a couple months of being careful isn't Auschwitz for shit's sake.

      Please love yourself.

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      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

        @Jolly said in The Crime:

        Many of the people calling for a return to "normalcy" are not snowflakes, nor are they idiots. They are tired of living a restricted life, one that may have restrictions in perpetuity. At some point, it ceases to be life and turns into a Howard Hughes nightmare scenario of Chinese water torture via coronavirus.

        So you're saying they have a right to demand to do everything they want to do and not be inconvenienced anymore because it's hell to not go to baseball games. Give me a fucking break. Yes, they're a bunch of damn sissies and snowflakes. For all the big talk about bootstraps, these people wouldn't survive a week of 1940s blackout drills. They'd be lighting Freedom Fires and getting blown to shit by the Germans. Selfish ninnies not accustomed to the concept of social cooperation.

        It's not "restrictions in perpetuity," things have almost completely relaxed already. And we're months away from a vaccine. If that never happens, okay, fuck it, let's roll the dice with herd immunity. But a couple months of being careful isn't Auschwitz for shit's sake.

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        #13

        @Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

        @Jolly said in The Crime:

        Many of the people calling for a return to "normalcy" are not snowflakes, nor are they idiots. They are tired of living a restricted life, one that may have restrictions in perpetuity. At some point, it ceases to be life and turns into a Howard Hughes nightmare scenario of Chinese water torture via coronavirus.

        So you're saying they have a right to demand to do everything they want to do and not be inconvenienced anymore because it's hell to not go to baseball games. Give me a fucking break. Yes, they're a bunch of damn sissies and snowflakes. For all the big talk about bootstraps, these people wouldn't survive a week of 1940s blackout drills. They'd be lighting Freedom Fires and getting blown to shit by the Germans. Selfish ninnies not accustomed to the concept of social cooperation.

        It's not "restrictions in perpetuity," things have almost completely relaxed already. And we're months away from a vaccine. If that never happens, okay, fuck it, let's roll the dice with herd immunity. But a couple months of being careful isn't Auschwitz for shit's sake.

        They have a right, after a certain point, to take their chances with the disease, since they cannot avoid it. If you (generic you) wish to take precautions, by all means do it. If the most vulnerable among us, nursing home oatient, etc., need special precautions accommodate them.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          @Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

          @Jolly said in The Crime:

          Many of the people calling for a return to "normalcy" are not snowflakes, nor are they idiots. They are tired of living a restricted life, one that may have restrictions in perpetuity. At some point, it ceases to be life and turns into a Howard Hughes nightmare scenario of Chinese water torture via coronavirus.

          So you're saying they have a right to demand to do everything they want to do and not be inconvenienced anymore because it's hell to not go to baseball games. Give me a fucking break. Yes, they're a bunch of damn sissies and snowflakes. For all the big talk about bootstraps, these people wouldn't survive a week of 1940s blackout drills. They'd be lighting Freedom Fires and getting blown to shit by the Germans. Selfish ninnies not accustomed to the concept of social cooperation.

          It's not "restrictions in perpetuity," things have almost completely relaxed already. And we're months away from a vaccine. If that never happens, okay, fuck it, let's roll the dice with herd immunity. But a couple months of being careful isn't Auschwitz for shit's sake.

          They have a right, after a certain point, to take their chances with the disease, since they cannot avoid it. If you (generic you) wish to take precautions, by all means do it. If the most vulnerable among us, nursing home oatient, etc., need special precautions accommodate them.

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          @Jolly said in The Crime:

          They have a right, after a certain point, to take their chances with the disease, since they cannot avoid it. If you (generic you) wish to take precautions, by all means do it. If the most vulnerable among us, nursing home oatient, etc., need special precautions accommodate them.

          But they're not just taking their chances. They're a risk for everyone they get into contact with.

          Please love yourself.

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          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

            @Jolly said in The Crime:

            They have a right, after a certain point, to take their chances with the disease, since they cannot avoid it. If you (generic you) wish to take precautions, by all means do it. If the most vulnerable among us, nursing home oatient, etc., need special precautions accommodate them.

            But they're not just taking their chances. They're a risk for everyone they get into contact with.

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            Jolly
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            @Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

            @Jolly said in The Crime:

            They have a right, after a certain point, to take their chances with the disease, since they cannot avoid it. If you (generic you) wish to take precautions, by all means do it. If the most vulnerable among us, nursing home oatient, etc., need special precautions accommodate them.

            But they're not just taking their chances. They're a risk for everyone they get into contact with.

            People are at risk, anyway. The question is how much risk is tolerable?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

              @Jolly said in The Crime:

              They have a right, after a certain point, to take their chances with the disease, since they cannot avoid it. If you (generic you) wish to take precautions, by all means do it. If the most vulnerable among us, nursing home oatient, etc., need special precautions accommodate them.

              But they're not just taking their chances. They're a risk for everyone they get into contact with.

              People are at risk, anyway. The question is how much risk is tolerable?

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              Aqua Letifer
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              #16

              @Jolly said in The Crime:

              @Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

              @Jolly said in The Crime:

              They have a right, after a certain point, to take their chances with the disease, since they cannot avoid it. If you (generic you) wish to take precautions, by all means do it. If the most vulnerable among us, nursing home oatient, etc., need special precautions accommodate them.

              But they're not just taking their chances. They're a risk for everyone they get into contact with.

              People are at risk, anyway. The question is how much risk is tolerable?

              I would say some risk. But they don't get to do everything they damn well want because they don't have the fortitude to be considerate. Sorry. It's gross just how little people are willing to do: no masks, no holding off on mass events, no holding off on visiting the elderly after you've gone to said mass events, etc.

              Please love yourself.

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                Jolly
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                #17

                I think down here, the major inconveniences are church, bars, sporting events and school...Not necessarily in that order.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  I think down here, the major inconveniences are church, bars, sporting events and school...Not necessarily in that order.

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                  Aqua Letifer
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                  #18

                  @Jolly said in The Crime:

                  I think down here, the major inconveniences are church, bars, sporting events and school...Not necessarily in that order.

                  School's definitely an issue. I'd say sure, Church too, but up here, open-air services have become a thing. I don't see why that can't be done down there.

                  As for bars and sporting events... suck it the hell up.

                  Please love yourself.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #19

                    This is Louisiana. Football and bars are akin to church.😄

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      This is Louisiana. Football and bars are akin to church.😄

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                      Aqua Letifer
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                      #20

                      @Jolly said in The Crime:

                      This is Louisiana. Football and bars are akin to church.😄

                      Can play without a crowd. As for bars, yeah, gonna have to find something else to do for a little while until we figure this out.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                        @Jolly said in The Crime:

                        Many of the people calling for a return to "normalcy" are not snowflakes, nor are they idiots. They are tired of living a restricted life, one that may have restrictions in perpetuity. At some point, it ceases to be life and turns into a Howard Hughes nightmare scenario of Chinese water torture via coronavirus.

                        So you're saying they have a right to demand to do everything they want to do and not be inconvenienced anymore because it's hell to not go to baseball games. Give me a fucking break. Yes, they're a bunch of damn sissies and snowflakes. For all the big talk about bootstraps, these people wouldn't survive a week of 1940s blackout drills. They'd be lighting Freedom Fires and getting blown to shit by the Germans. Selfish ninnies not accustomed to the concept of social cooperation.

                        It's not "restrictions in perpetuity," things have almost completely relaxed already. And we're months away from a vaccine. If that never happens, okay, fuck it, let's roll the dice with herd immunity. But a couple months of being careful isn't Auschwitz for shit's sake.

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                        taiwan_girl
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                        #21

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

                        For all the big talk about bootstraps, these people wouldn't survive a week of 1940s blackout drills.

                        Interesting (and good) comment. Maybe some parallel to what people did in the World War 2.

                        Fighing an enemy
                        not knowing how long it would be
                        making sacrifices to defeat the enemy
                        etc.

                        (and the sacrifices we are asked to make now are so much less than then).

                        There was a meme earlier (maybe even on our COVID meme thread) that said something like:

                        In an earlier time, people your age were asked to go off to war to fight the enemy.
                        You are being asked to sit on your couch.
                        I think you can handle it!! LOL

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                          Yes, they have the right to live their lives

                          The economy gets worse every day

                          Careers are being ruined, lives are being ruined

                          The Governors emergency power shouldn't last forever, nor should it last much longer

                          The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero

                          Zero

                          Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                          Yes, nothing - zero

                          Certainly not a big scary pandemic

                          Over age 20, is a different story

                          But still we have gone way over the line

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in The Crime:

                            For all the big talk about bootstraps, these people wouldn't survive a week of 1940s blackout drills.

                            Interesting (and good) comment. Maybe some parallel to what people did in the World War 2.

                            Fighing an enemy
                            not knowing how long it would be
                            making sacrifices to defeat the enemy
                            etc.

                            (and the sacrifices we are asked to make now are so much less than then).

                            There was a meme earlier (maybe even on our COVID meme thread) that said something like:

                            In an earlier time, people your age were asked to go off to war to fight the enemy.
                            You are being asked to sit on your couch.
                            I think you can handle it!! LOL

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                            Aqua Letifer
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                            #23

                            @taiwan_girl said in The Crime:

                            (and the sacrifices we are asked to make now are so much less than then).

                            I'm sorry (not sorry), but that's undeniable. Facetime > letters from a limited mail service. Instacart > freedom gardens. Social distancing for 1 year > blackouts for 5. Limited gatherings > ration books, cold showers, scrap drives, nurse volunteers and war bonds. Do what you tell the derelict poor to do and do your fucking part.

                            Please love yourself.

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                              #24

                              Maybe I misread it but I simply don’t believe the study if they say more than a quarter of 18-24 year olds have thought about killing themselves over the last month. No way. Probably isn’t even 1/10 of that figure.

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                              • CopperC Copper

                                Yes, they have the right to live their lives

                                The economy gets worse every day

                                Careers are being ruined, lives are being ruined

                                The Governors emergency power shouldn't last forever, nor should it last much longer

                                The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero

                                Zero

                                Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                                Yes, nothing - zero

                                Certainly not a big scary pandemic

                                Over age 20, is a different story

                                But still we have gone way over the line

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                                89th
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                                #25

                                @Copper said in The Crime:

                                The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
                                Zero
                                Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                                You know they can infect others, right?

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                                • 89th8 89th

                                  @Copper said in The Crime:

                                  The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
                                  Zero
                                  Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                                  You know they can infect others, right?

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                                  @89th said in The Crime:

                                  @Copper said in The Crime:

                                  The number of people under age 20 who have been hospitalized or died due to covid in Virginia is still zero
                                  Zero
                                  Why ruin their lives over nothing?

                                  You know they can infect others, right?

                                  No, Copper's justifying the behavior he's not willing to change for any reason.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                    And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

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                                      @Jolly said in The Crime:

                                      And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

                                      I’d rather not be infected (mostly due to unknowns around COVID morbidity).

                                      I’ll wait until a vaccine to “get back to normal”

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                                        @Jolly said in The Crime:

                                        And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

                                        I’d rather not be infected (mostly due to unknowns around COVID morbidity).

                                        I’ll wait until a vaccine to “get back to normal”

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                                        @xenon said in The Crime:

                                        @Jolly said in The Crime:

                                        And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

                                        I’d rather not be infected (mostly due to unknowns around COVID morbidity).

                                        I’ll wait until a vaccine to “get back to normal”

                                        You can wait, the virus may not.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          @xenon said in The Crime:

                                          @Jolly said in The Crime:

                                          And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

                                          I’d rather not be infected (mostly due to unknowns around COVID morbidity).

                                          I’ll wait until a vaccine to “get back to normal”

                                          You can wait, the virus may not.

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                                          @Jolly said in The Crime:

                                          @xenon said in The Crime:

                                          @Jolly said in The Crime:

                                          And yet...No matter what you do, the chances are you will eventually be infected...

                                          I’d rather not be infected (mostly due to unknowns around COVID morbidity).

                                          I’ll wait until a vaccine to “get back to normal”

                                          You can wait, the virus may not.

                                          Right, right. I’ll continue to be cautious until then is what I mean. If I get infected, I get infected.

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