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Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?

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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    #28

    Criticizing our coffee for being too big?
    It's just the world envious of our abundance.

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    • LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
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      #29

      I made a mistake and ordered a dopio espresso this morning at a coffee shop where everything comes in paper cups. Coffee is fine in those paper cups but espresso? It changes the taste. I swear.

      The Brad

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        #30

        Yes a paper cup would absolutely change the taste of an esspresso. This becomes inevitable if you smell an empty paper cup and then a ceramic one. The paper one has a smell. Which inevitably affects taste.

        This morning I am drinking a black 20 oz french press coffee from my favorite stainless steel insulated mug.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          Yes a paper cup would absolutely change the taste of an esspresso. This becomes inevitable if you smell an empty paper cup and then a ceramic one. The paper one has a smell. Which inevitably affects taste.

          This morning I am drinking a black 20 oz french press coffee from my favorite stainless steel insulated mug.

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          #31

          @Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

          Yes a paper cup would absolutely change the taste of an esspresso. This becomes inevitable if you smell an empty paper cup and then a ceramic one. The paper one has a smell. Which inevitably affects taste.

          This morning I am drinking a black 20 oz french press coffee from my favorite stainless steel insulated mug.

          I can’t drink coffee from stainless steel. I’m one of those that pick up an odor from stainless steel that affects the taste. Oddly, I love water in stainless steel thermoses.

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            @bachophile said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

            Had to look up cullion

            I stand by my comments

            Americans don’t get coffee.

            They don’t get too much anything

            For example, worthy presidential candidates.

            Enjoy your Italian food with American tomatoes and flavored with American peppers…

            You know, it seems to me that except for the French, pretty much most of the western world’s cuisine is completely dependent on foods that originated in the Americas…

            Doctor PhibesD Offline
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            @LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

            You know, it seems to me that except for the French, pretty much most of the western world’s cuisine is completely dependent on foods that originated in the Americas…

            Americans invented electricity too, but it still takes longer to boil a kettle over here than some world wars have lasted. It's no wonder you've never figured out you're supposed to boil the freaking water.

            I was only joking

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              @LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

              You know, it seems to me that except for the French, pretty much most of the western world’s cuisine is completely dependent on foods that originated in the Americas…

              Americans invented electricity too, but it still takes longer to boil a kettle over here than some world wars have lasted. It's no wonder you've never figured out you're supposed to boil the freaking water.

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              @Doctor-Phibes said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

              @LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

              You know, it seems to me that except for the French, pretty much most of the western world’s cuisine is completely dependent on foods that originated in the Americas…

              Americans invented electricity too, but it still takes longer to boil a kettle over here than some world wars have lasted. It's no wonder you've never figured out you're supposed to boil the freaking water.

              1. Why use electricity when we have perfectly good natural gas to boil water?

              2. Since we don’t boil our meats, we don’t find boiling our water as necessary as you Brits. I’ll never understand why we Americans turn our noses up at adding the delicious flavor of water to ham or beef…

              The Brad

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                @Doctor-Phibes said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                @LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                You know, it seems to me that except for the French, pretty much most of the western world’s cuisine is completely dependent on foods that originated in the Americas…

                Americans invented electricity too, but it still takes longer to boil a kettle over here than some world wars have lasted. It's no wonder you've never figured out you're supposed to boil the freaking water.

                1. Why use electricity when we have perfectly good natural gas to boil water?

                2. Since we don’t boil our meats, we don’t find boiling our water as necessary as you Brits. I’ll never understand why we Americans turn our noses up at adding the delicious flavor of water to ham or beef…

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                @LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                Why use electricity when we have perfectly good natural gas to boil water?

                I've seen what happens to Americans who have natural gas. They feel compelled to leave it on while they test out their handguns.

                You've never lived until you've used a 250V, 13A electric kettle.

                I was only joking

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                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                  LuFins Dad
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                  Wow. That sounds… thrilling.

                  The Brad

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    #36

                    The electric kettle is a lot faster. Espresso is fantastic stuff. But if you want an energy drink try Cuban coffee.

                    I’ve never tried an energy drink either.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • HoraceH Offline
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                      Horace
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                      #37

                      As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.

                        LuFins DadL Offline
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                        @Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                        As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.

                        And which is preferable?

                        The Brad

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                        • MikM Mik

                          The electric kettle is a lot faster. Espresso is fantastic stuff. But if you want an energy drink try Cuban coffee.

                          I’ve never tried an energy drink either.

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                          @Mik said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                          I’ve never tried an energy drink either.

                          me too

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                          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                            @Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                            As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.

                            And which is preferable?

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                            @LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                            @Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                            As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.

                            And which is preferable?

                            I like a mix of the two, with gas heated water on top and electric heated water on bottom.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • HoraceH Horace

                              As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.

                              CopperC Offline
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                              @Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                              the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.

                              It's the greenhouse gas

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                              • JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
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                                Just a cautionary tale...

                                I worked this weekend at my little rural hospital gig. Five cases of heat exhaustion through the ED.

                                FIVE.

                                Only mad men and English men go out in the midday sun. And drink your gatorade (or equivalent).

                                Here's what I know from personal experience...When doing heavy work, we used to start early at 7am. If the crew had water, we were shot by noon. Absolutely whipped. If gatorade was subbed for water, we could usually work for another hour or hour&a half after noon break.

                                In heat, it makes that much difference.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  Just a cautionary tale...

                                  I worked this weekend at my little rural hospital gig. Five cases of heat exhaustion through the ED.

                                  FIVE.

                                  Only mad men and English men go out in the midday sun. And drink your gatorade (or equivalent).

                                  Here's what I know from personal experience...When doing heavy work, we used to start early at 7am. If the crew had water, we were shot by noon. Absolutely whipped. If gatorade was subbed for water, we could usually work for another hour or hour&a half after noon break.

                                  In heat, it makes that much difference.

                                  George KG Offline
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                                  @Jolly said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                                  .When doing heavy work, we used to start early at 7am. If the crew had water, we were shot by noon. Absolutely whipped. If gatorade was subbed for water, we could usually work for another hour or hour&a half after noon break.

                                  In heat, it makes that much difference.

                                  Fascinating. 'Lytes are good, eh?

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • HoraceH Horace

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                                    @Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                                    As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.

                                    And which is preferable?

                                    I like a mix of the two, with gas heated water on top and electric heated water on bottom.

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                                    @Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                                    @Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                                    As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.

                                    And which is preferable?

                                    I like a mix of the two, with gas heated water on top and electric heated water on bottom.

                                    You're a philistine. A true connoisseur would microwave one third of the water.

                                    I was only joking

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      @Jolly said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                                      .When doing heavy work, we used to start early at 7am. If the crew had water, we were shot by noon. Absolutely whipped. If gatorade was subbed for water, we could usually work for another hour or hour&a half after noon break.

                                      In heat, it makes that much difference.

                                      Fascinating. 'Lytes are good, eh?

                                      JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
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                                      @George-K said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                                      @Jolly said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                                      .When doing heavy work, we used to start early at 7am. If the crew had water, we were shot by noon. Absolutely whipped. If gatorade was subbed for water, we could usually work for another hour or hour&a half after noon break.

                                      In heat, it makes that much difference.

                                      Fascinating. 'Lytes are good, eh?

                                      The boss frowned on a jelco and a liter of Ringer's...

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                        Red Bull started in Thailand. THey still sell the original recipe here. I think in the US, a can goes for about $2-3? In Thailand, the original comes in a small bottle and sells for about $0.35.

                                        I have never tried neither, so have no idea why the big difference in price (or how much difference in taste)

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                                        @taiwan_girl said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:

                                        Red Bull started in Thailand. THey still sell the original recipe here. I think in the US, a can goes for about $2-3? In Thailand, the original comes in a small bottle and sells for about $0.35.

                                        I have never tried neither, so have no idea why the big difference in price (or how much difference in taste)

                                        I think I mentioned this before, maybe on the old board, but there has been a long ongoing story about the grandson of the guy who started Red Bull ran over a police man in a hit and run. He eventually left the country to avoid trial, etc. Lots of accusing of corruption, payoffs to the police, etc. Anyways, the latest

                                        https://www.nationthailand.com/news/general/40049090

                                        Two former senior public prosecutors were jailed by the Central Criminal Court for Corruption and Misconduct Cases on Tuesday after being found guilty of helping Vorayuth "Boss" Yoovidhya, heir to the Red Bull fortune, initially escape prosecution in a 2012 fatal hit-and-run case.

                                        and

                                        As of April 2025, Vorayuth Yoovidhya remains a fugitive. The only remaining charge against him is reckless driving causing death, which carries a statute of limitations until 2027.

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                                          Wait a minute, I’ve toured the private hanger of the owner of red bull in Salzburg (long story). He has planes from WW-II to present and keeps them all in working order. I had always assumed he was the founder. Maybe he bought it at some point.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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