Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?
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I made a mistake and ordered a dopio espresso this morning at a coffee shop where everything comes in paper cups. Coffee is fine in those paper cups but espresso? It changes the taste. I swear.
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Yes a paper cup would absolutely change the taste of an esspresso. This becomes inevitable if you smell an empty paper cup and then a ceramic one. The paper one has a smell. Which inevitably affects taste.
This morning I am drinking a black 20 oz french press coffee from my favorite stainless steel insulated mug.
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Yes a paper cup would absolutely change the taste of an esspresso. This becomes inevitable if you smell an empty paper cup and then a ceramic one. The paper one has a smell. Which inevitably affects taste.
This morning I am drinking a black 20 oz french press coffee from my favorite stainless steel insulated mug.
@Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
Yes a paper cup would absolutely change the taste of an esspresso. This becomes inevitable if you smell an empty paper cup and then a ceramic one. The paper one has a smell. Which inevitably affects taste.
This morning I am drinking a black 20 oz french press coffee from my favorite stainless steel insulated mug.
I can’t drink coffee from stainless steel. I’m one of those that pick up an odor from stainless steel that affects the taste. Oddly, I love water in stainless steel thermoses.
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@bachophile said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
Had to look up cullion
I stand by my comments
Americans don’t get coffee.
They don’t get too much anything
For example, worthy presidential candidates.
Enjoy your Italian food with American tomatoes and flavored with American peppers…
You know, it seems to me that except for the French, pretty much most of the western world’s cuisine is completely dependent on foods that originated in the Americas…
@LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
You know, it seems to me that except for the French, pretty much most of the western world’s cuisine is completely dependent on foods that originated in the Americas…
Americans invented electricity too, but it still takes longer to boil a kettle over here than some world wars have lasted. It's no wonder you've never figured out you're supposed to boil the freaking water.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
You know, it seems to me that except for the French, pretty much most of the western world’s cuisine is completely dependent on foods that originated in the Americas…
Americans invented electricity too, but it still takes longer to boil a kettle over here than some world wars have lasted. It's no wonder you've never figured out you're supposed to boil the freaking water.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
You know, it seems to me that except for the French, pretty much most of the western world’s cuisine is completely dependent on foods that originated in the Americas…
Americans invented electricity too, but it still takes longer to boil a kettle over here than some world wars have lasted. It's no wonder you've never figured out you're supposed to boil the freaking water.
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Why use electricity when we have perfectly good natural gas to boil water?
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Since we don’t boil our meats, we don’t find boiling our water as necessary as you Brits. I’ll never understand why we Americans turn our noses up at adding the delicious flavor of water to ham or beef…
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
You know, it seems to me that except for the French, pretty much most of the western world’s cuisine is completely dependent on foods that originated in the Americas…
Americans invented electricity too, but it still takes longer to boil a kettle over here than some world wars have lasted. It's no wonder you've never figured out you're supposed to boil the freaking water.
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Why use electricity when we have perfectly good natural gas to boil water?
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Since we don’t boil our meats, we don’t find boiling our water as necessary as you Brits. I’ll never understand why we Americans turn our noses up at adding the delicious flavor of water to ham or beef…
@LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
Why use electricity when we have perfectly good natural gas to boil water?
I've seen what happens to Americans who have natural gas. They feel compelled to leave it on while they test out their handguns.
You've never lived until you've used a 250V, 13A electric kettle.
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Wow. That sounds… thrilling.
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The electric kettle is a lot faster. Espresso is fantastic stuff. But if you want an energy drink try Cuban coffee.
I’ve never tried an energy drink either.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.
Education is extremely important.
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As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.
@Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.
And which is preferable?
The Brad
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The electric kettle is a lot faster. Espresso is fantastic stuff. But if you want an energy drink try Cuban coffee.
I’ve never tried an energy drink either.
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@Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.
And which is preferable?
@LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
@Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.
And which is preferable?
I like a mix of the two, with gas heated water on top and electric heated water on bottom.
Education is extremely important.
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As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.
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Just a cautionary tale...
I worked this weekend at my little rural hospital gig. Five cases of heat exhaustion through the ED.
FIVE.
Only mad men and English men go out in the midday sun. And drink your gatorade (or equivalent).
Here's what I know from personal experience...When doing heavy work, we used to start early at 7am. If the crew had water, we were shot by noon. Absolutely whipped. If gatorade was subbed for water, we could usually work for another hour or hour&a half after noon break.
In heat, it makes that much difference.
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Just a cautionary tale...
I worked this weekend at my little rural hospital gig. Five cases of heat exhaustion through the ED.
FIVE.
Only mad men and English men go out in the midday sun. And drink your gatorade (or equivalent).
Here's what I know from personal experience...When doing heavy work, we used to start early at 7am. If the crew had water, we were shot by noon. Absolutely whipped. If gatorade was subbed for water, we could usually work for another hour or hour&a half after noon break.
In heat, it makes that much difference.
@Jolly said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
.When doing heavy work, we used to start early at 7am. If the crew had water, we were shot by noon. Absolutely whipped. If gatorade was subbed for water, we could usually work for another hour or hour&a half after noon break.
In heat, it makes that much difference.
Fascinating. 'Lytes are good, eh?
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
@Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.
And which is preferable?
I like a mix of the two, with gas heated water on top and electric heated water on bottom.
@Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
@LuFins-Dad said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
@Horace said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
As a discriminating foodie, I can taste the difference between water heated with gas and water heated with electricity.
And which is preferable?
I like a mix of the two, with gas heated water on top and electric heated water on bottom.
You're a philistine. A true connoisseur would microwave one third of the water.
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@Jolly said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
.When doing heavy work, we used to start early at 7am. If the crew had water, we were shot by noon. Absolutely whipped. If gatorade was subbed for water, we could usually work for another hour or hour&a half after noon break.
In heat, it makes that much difference.
Fascinating. 'Lytes are good, eh?
@George-K said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
@Jolly said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
.When doing heavy work, we used to start early at 7am. If the crew had water, we were shot by noon. Absolutely whipped. If gatorade was subbed for water, we could usually work for another hour or hour&a half after noon break.
In heat, it makes that much difference.
Fascinating. 'Lytes are good, eh?
The boss frowned on a jelco and a liter of Ringer's...
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Red Bull started in Thailand. THey still sell the original recipe here. I think in the US, a can goes for about $2-3? In Thailand, the original comes in a small bottle and sells for about $0.35.
I have never tried neither, so have no idea why the big difference in price (or how much difference in taste)
@taiwan_girl said in Energy Drinks: Are They Worth the Heart Risk?:
Red Bull started in Thailand. THey still sell the original recipe here. I think in the US, a can goes for about $2-3? In Thailand, the original comes in a small bottle and sells for about $0.35.
I have never tried neither, so have no idea why the big difference in price (or how much difference in taste)
I think I mentioned this before, maybe on the old board, but there has been a long ongoing story about the grandson of the guy who started Red Bull ran over a police man in a hit and run. He eventually left the country to avoid trial, etc. Lots of accusing of corruption, payoffs to the police, etc. Anyways, the latest
https://www.nationthailand.com/news/general/40049090
Two former senior public prosecutors were jailed by the Central Criminal Court for Corruption and Misconduct Cases on Tuesday after being found guilty of helping Vorayuth "Boss" Yoovidhya, heir to the Red Bull fortune, initially escape prosecution in a 2012 fatal hit-and-run case.
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As of April 2025, Vorayuth Yoovidhya remains a fugitive. The only remaining charge against him is reckless driving causing death, which carries a statute of limitations until 2027.
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Red Bull owner has a private hangar in Salzburg. What do you know about him?
Dietrich Mateschitz was an Austrian entrepreneur best known as the co-founder of Red Bull GmbH, the company behind the globally popular energy drink. Born on May 20, 1944, in Sankt Marein im Mürztal, Austria, he passed away on October 22, 2022, at the age of 78.  
Early Life and Career
Mateschitz earned a degree in marketing from the Vienna University of Economics and Business. He began his career in marketing, working for companies like Unilever and Blendax, a German cosmetics firm. During a business trip to Thailand in the early 1980s, he discovered a local energy drink called Krating Daeng. Recognizing its potential, he partnered with Thai businessman Chaleo Yoovidhya to adapt and market the drink for Western audiences. In 1984, they founded Red Bull GmbH, launching the beverage in Austria in 1987. The brand quickly gained popularity, becoming a global leader in the energy drink market.    
Hangar-7 in Salzburg
Mateschitz was passionate about aviation and established Hangar-7 at Salzburg Airport to house his collection of historical aircraft, known as The Flying Bulls. Opened in 2003, Hangar-7 is an architectural landmark featuring a glass and steel dome structure. It serves not only as an aircraft museum but also hosts art exhibitions and is home to Restaurant Ikarus, a Michelin-starred establishment that features a rotating roster of guest chefs from around the world.   
Sports and Media Ventures
Under Mateschitz’s leadership, Red Bull expanded beyond beverages into sports and media. He acquired and rebranded several sports teams, including:  
• Football Clubs: Red Bull Salzburg (Austria), New York Red Bulls (USA), RB Leipzig (Germany), and Red Bull Bragantino (Brazil). 
• Formula One: In 2004, Red Bull purchased the Jaguar Racing team, rebranding it as Red Bull Racing. The team has since won multiple Constructors’ and Drivers’ Championships. Additionally, Red Bull acquired the Minardi team, renaming it Scuderia Toro Rosso (now Scuderia AlphaTauri). Red Bull also established Red Bull Media House, producing content across various platforms, including television, print, and digital media. 
Legacy
At the time of his death, Mateschitz was considered Austria’s richest person, with a net worth estimated at $27.4 billion. He was known for his privacy and rarely gave interviews. His son, Mark Mateschitz, inherited his 49% stake in Red Bull GmbH.  
Mateschitz’s impact on global marketing, sports, and media continues to influence industries worldwide. 
