Trump, MAGA, Bible
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@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I have a few buddies who are special agents at the FBI, there are many attacks they stop that you'll never hear of. It's pretty incredible. Admittedly I am biased by their work ethic and morals and the good work they do...
No argument.
Have them explain how this is not a 4th amendment violation, how the government obtained records without a warrant.
@George-K said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I have a few buddies who are special agents at the FBI, there are many attacks they stop that you'll never hear of. It's pretty incredible. Admittedly I am biased by their work ethic and morals and the good work they do...
No argument.
Have them explain how this is not a 4th amendment violation, how the government obtained records without a warrant.
From t3h constitution:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I'm not sure where I see in Jordan's letter where the government is unreasonably searching/seizing a person's papers or effects by telling banks what patterns of extremism to look for. It's typology 101.
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Who is being hanged?
It seems these letters only were drafted because the snowflake's feelings were hurt that the acronym 'MAGA' dare be included in a list of potential threat identifiers. I would hope 'BLM' is also included as a keyword, btw.
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I would hope 'BLM' is also included as a keyword, btw.
It's not.
Point made.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@George-K said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I have a few buddies who are special agents at the FBI, there are many attacks they stop that you'll never hear of. It's pretty incredible. Admittedly I am biased by their work ethic and morals and the good work they do...
No argument.
Have them explain how this is not a 4th amendment violation, how the government obtained records without a warrant.
From t3h constitution:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I'm not sure where I see in Jordan's letter where the government is unreasonably searching/seizing a person's papers or effects by telling banks what patterns of extremism to look for. It's typology 101.
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
From t3h constitution:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I'm not sure where I see in Jordan's letter where the government is unreasonably searching/seizing a person's papers or effects by telling banks what patterns of extremism to look for. It's typology 101.
PROBABLE CAUSE.
People shopping for "religious books," or at Cabela's should be screened, just in case. That's your point.
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@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
That's ridiculous and not at all what we are talking about.
"The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil
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Just spitballin' here.
Do you think that they monitored Quran purchases?
Asking for a friend, of course.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I would hope 'BLM' is also included as a keyword, btw.
It's not.
Point made.
@George-K said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I would hope 'BLM' is also included as a keyword, btw.
It's not.
Point made.
I’d imagine it’s not, but did you see the document that listed the keywords such as MAGA? The document in the article doesn’t show that separate keyword list.
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@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
That's ridiculous and not at all what we are talking about.
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
That's ridiculous and not at all what we are talking about.
I believe it is. Banks using their access to data to flag suspicious activity. Whether it’s a pattern of words such as AR15 school, or MAGA antigovernment attack, or bomb parts enshallah…
From what I can tell this isn’t the government search or seizing anything, it’s advising banks on what typology patterns might be relevant warning signs.
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Just spitballin' here.
Do you think that they monitored Quran purchases?
Asking for a friend, of course.
@George-K said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Just spitballin' here.
Do you think that they monitored Quran purchases?
Asking for a friend, of course.
The Bible thing is an even clearer example this is a political article and letter. The actual claim is this:
the purchase of books (including religious texts) and subscriptions to other media containing extremist views
Jordan makes it sound like Bible purchases are being monitored by the government.
Which is 100% untrue.
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@George-K said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Just spitballin' here.
Do you think that they monitored Quran purchases?
Asking for a friend, of course.
The Bible thing is an even clearer example this is a political article and letter. The actual claim is this:
the purchase of books (including religious texts) and subscriptions to other media containing extremist views
Jordan makes it sound like Bible purchases are being monitored by the government.
Which is 100% untrue.
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
the purchase of books (including religious texts) and subscriptions to other media containing extremist views
So, they're flagging books (including religious texts (presumably the Quran is included)) and subscriptions that contain extremist views.
Who decides what are extremist views?
Who decides what can be tracked?
What's the probable cause for these searches?
Where's the warrant presented to Bank of America for searching anyone who happened to make a purchase in DC Jan 5-7, 2001?
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@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
That's ridiculous and not at all what we are talking about.
I believe it is. Banks using their access to data to flag suspicious activity. Whether it’s a pattern of words such as AR15 school, or MAGA antigovernment attack, or bomb parts enshallah…
From what I can tell this isn’t the government search or seizing anything, it’s advising banks on what typology patterns might be relevant warning signs.
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
That's ridiculous and not at all what we are talking about.
I believe it is. Banks using their access to data to flag suspicious activity. Whether it’s a pattern of words such as AR15 school, or MAGA antigovernment attack, or bomb parts enshallah…
From what I can tell this isn’t the government search or seizing anything, it’s advising banks on what typology patterns might be relevant warning signs.
No, it’s not. Your example was someone stating they intended to commit a violent crime. Any person of integrity would report that. There’s a universe of difference between that and someone telling you they intend to purchase Mein Kampf or flying lessons, both of which could portend trouble or simply curiosity and ambition.
"The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil
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The government is not doing the searching. That’s the whole point.
The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) has provided banks with typology keywords that could present a pattern that might be worth flagging. Such as transactions related to the Qoran and AR15s and bombs, or MAGA and weapons. And if a pattern emerges, it might be worth checking out. This is the bank monitoring for criminally related financial activity.
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@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
That's ridiculous and not at all what we are talking about.
I believe it is. Banks using their access to data to flag suspicious activity. Whether it’s a pattern of words such as AR15 school, or MAGA antigovernment attack, or bomb parts enshallah…
From what I can tell this isn’t the government search or seizing anything, it’s advising banks on what typology patterns might be relevant warning signs.
No, it’s not. Your example was someone stating they intended to commit a violent crime. Any person of integrity would report that. There’s a universe of difference between that and someone telling you they intend to purchase Mein Kampf or flying lessons, both of which could portend trouble or simply curiosity and ambition.
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
That's ridiculous and not at all what we are talking about.
I believe it is. Banks using their access to data to flag suspicious activity. Whether it’s a pattern of words such as AR15 school, or MAGA antigovernment attack, or bomb parts enshallah…
From what I can tell this isn’t the government search or seizing anything, it’s advising banks on what typology patterns might be relevant warning signs.
No, it’s not. Your example was someone stating they intended to commit a violent crime. Any person of integrity would report that. There’s a universe of difference between that and someone telling you they intend to purchase Mein Kampf or flying lessons, both of which could portend trouble or simply curiosity and ambition.
Totally agree. My point was your banking data isn’t your private data. It’s the bank’s data.
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The government is not doing the searching. That’s the whole point.
The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) has provided banks with typology keywords that could present a pattern that might be worth flagging. Such as transactions related to the Qoran and AR15s and bombs, or MAGA and weapons. And if a pattern emerges, it might be worth checking out. This is the bank monitoring for criminally related financial activity.
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
The government is not doing the searching. That’s the whole point.
The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) has provided banks with typology keywords that could present a pattern that might be worth flagging. Such as transactions related to the Qoran and AR15s and bombs, or MAGA and weapons. And if a pattern emerges, it might be worth checking out. This is the bank monitoring for criminally related financial activity.
I'm from the people that regulate you and can make your life a legal Hell, and we have a few words we suggest you add to your monitoring system. BTW, if you find anything, DO let us know.
Nice bank y'all have here. Be a shame if something happened to it...
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Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
Hasn’t been that in 50 years.
