Trump, MAGA, Bible
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@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
If the government provides a list of keywords to help, so be it.
4th Amendment.
Read Jordan's letter.
"According to this analysis, FinCEN warned financial institutions of "extremism" indicators that include "transportation charges, such as bus tickets, rental cars, or plane tickets, for travel to areas with no apparent purpose," or "the purchase of books (including religious texts) and subscriptions to other media containing extremist views."' In other words, FinCEN urged large financial institutions to comb through the private transactions of their customers for suspicious charges on the basis of protected political and religious expression."
Damn, don't you dare use your credit card to buy a bible, you knuckle-dragging deplorable MAGAT.
And God forbid you go to Cabela's.
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@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I have a few buddies who are special agents at the FBI, there are many attacks they stop that you'll never hear of. It's pretty incredible. Admittedly I am biased by their work ethic and morals and the good work they do...
No argument.
Have them explain how this is not a 4th amendment violation, how the government obtained records without a warrant.
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@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
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@George-K said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I have a few buddies who are special agents at the FBI, there are many attacks they stop that you'll never hear of. It's pretty incredible. Admittedly I am biased by their work ethic and morals and the good work they do...
No argument.
Have them explain how this is not a 4th amendment violation, how the government obtained records without a warrant.
From t3h constitution:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I'm not sure where I see in Jordan's letter where the government is unreasonably searching/seizing a person's papers or effects by telling banks what patterns of extremism to look for. It's typology 101.
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@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
From t3h constitution:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
I'm not sure where I see in Jordan's letter where the government is unreasonably searching/seizing a person's papers or effects by telling banks what patterns of extremism to look for. It's typology 101.
PROBABLE CAUSE.
People shopping for "religious books," or at Cabela's should be screened, just in case. That's your point.
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@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
That's ridiculous and not at all what we are talking about.
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@George-K said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
I would hope 'BLM' is also included as a keyword, btw.
It's not.
Point made.
I’d imagine it’s not, but did you see the document that listed the keywords such as MAGA? The document in the article doesn’t show that separate keyword list.
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@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
That's ridiculous and not at all what we are talking about.
I believe it is. Banks using their access to data to flag suspicious activity. Whether it’s a pattern of words such as AR15 school, or MAGA antigovernment attack, or bomb parts enshallah…
From what I can tell this isn’t the government search or seizing anything, it’s advising banks on what typology patterns might be relevant warning signs.
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@George-K said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Just spitballin' here.
Do you think that they monitored Quran purchases?
Asking for a friend, of course.
The Bible thing is an even clearer example this is a political article and letter. The actual claim is this:
the purchase of books (including religious texts) and subscriptions to other media containing extremist views
Jordan makes it sound like Bible purchases are being monitored by the government.
Which is 100% untrue.
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@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
the purchase of books (including religious texts) and subscriptions to other media containing extremist views
So, they're flagging books (including religious texts (presumably the Quran is included)) and subscriptions that contain extremist views.
Who decides what are extremist views?
Who decides what can be tracked?
What's the probable cause for these searches?
Where's the warrant presented to Bank of America for searching anyone who happened to make a purchase in DC Jan 5-7, 2001?
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@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@89th said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
@Mik said in Trump, MAGA, Bible:
Sorry, no sale. My banking is a private transaction and should remain that way. If the bank wishes to use the data they collect internally, that's one thing and should be subject to some limitations. if they wish to turn iot over to government that's a whole different animal.
So if Bank of America sees a transaction that says "Use funds to hijack planes", they aren't supposed to inform the FBI?
That's ridiculous and not at all what we are talking about.
I believe it is. Banks using their access to data to flag suspicious activity. Whether it’s a pattern of words such as AR15 school, or MAGA antigovernment attack, or bomb parts enshallah…
From what I can tell this isn’t the government search or seizing anything, it’s advising banks on what typology patterns might be relevant warning signs.
No, it’s not. Your example was someone stating they intended to commit a violent crime. Any person of integrity would report that. There’s a universe of difference between that and someone telling you they intend to purchase Mein Kampf or flying lessons, both of which could portend trouble or simply curiosity and ambition.
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The government is not doing the searching. That’s the whole point.
The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) has provided banks with typology keywords that could present a pattern that might be worth flagging. Such as transactions related to the Qoran and AR15s and bombs, or MAGA and weapons. And if a pattern emerges, it might be worth checking out. This is the bank monitoring for criminally related financial activity.