New George Floyd video
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 12:27 last edited by
@Jolly said in New George Floyd video:
Why has Keith Ellison been sitting on this video?
To ask the question is to answer it.
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@Jolly said in New George Floyd video:
Why has Keith Ellison been sitting on this video?
To ask the question is to answer it.
wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 12:30 last edited by@George-K said in New George Floyd video:
@Jolly said in New George Floyd video:
Why has Keith Ellison been sitting on this video?
To ask the question is to answer it.
And doesn't change my opinion of Ellison.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in New George Floyd video:
@89th said in New George Floyd video:
There’s a reason this video isn’t going viral amongst the woke on social media and the MSM... it doesn’t help the case against the officer.
Well of course. Wokeness doesn't have anything to do with findings of fact, and it's always got to be the same story: the black victim's got to be presented as a pillar of his community and the white officer's got to be a demon. How the woke crowd feels about anything is as far away from an objective viewpoint as my HR director's opinions on Asians.
I'm still not at all convinced the officer's not a piece of shit, I don't care how bad a guy Floyd might turn out to be.
Does this video move the needle on this being a racist event?
wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 13:52 last edited by@Jolly said in New George Floyd video:
@Aqua-Letifer said in New George Floyd video:
@89th said in New George Floyd video:
There’s a reason this video isn’t going viral amongst the woke on social media and the MSM... it doesn’t help the case against the officer.
Well of course. Wokeness doesn't have anything to do with findings of fact, and it's always got to be the same story: the black victim's got to be presented as a pillar of his community and the white officer's got to be a demon. How the woke crowd feels about anything is as far away from an objective viewpoint as my HR director's opinions on Asians.
I'm still not at all convinced the officer's not a piece of shit, I don't care how bad a guy Floyd might turn out to be.
Does this video move the needle on this being a racist event?
Really depends on what you mean. The cop's a POS, but I doubt his motivation was "down with blacks." Maybe something more like "this Floyd guy's a POS so it doesn't matter how I treat him." Typical asshole cop shit. In which case, no, I'm not very moved. You don't get to use excessive force on people you don't like, terrible people, etc. You sure as shit don't get to watch them die.
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 13:59 last edited by
We've all been pummeled with the "fact" this was a racist event. Protests. Riots. Cats and dogs mating in the streets.
So now, it turns out that the cop probably would have been an asshole to anybody in Floyd's condition. Because he could.
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 14:05 last edited by jon-nyc 8 May 2020, 14:06
For the record I never didn’t think that.
I always thought we should take these protests seriously but not literally.
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For the record I never didn’t think that.
I always thought we should take these protests seriously but not literally.
wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 14:11 last edited by@jon-nyc said in New George Floyd video:
For the record I never didn’t think that.
I always thought we should take these protests seriously but not literally.
Bud, you don't count.
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@jon-nyc said in New George Floyd video:
For the record I never didn’t think that.
I always thought we should take these protests seriously but not literally.
Bud, you don't count.
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For the record I never didn’t think that.
I always thought we should take these protests seriously but not literally.
wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 14:19 last edited by@jon-nyc said in New George Floyd video:
For the record I never didn’t think that.
I always thought we should take these protests seriously but not literally.
I fail to see how you can shrug away the fact that 99% of the emotional energy of the protests was based on a fictitious narrative. And no, you didn't say that, and I deeply apologize for the straw man. But please develop this notion of taking the protests seriously while not taking the fictitious part of the narrative literally.
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 14:20 last edited by
@Catseye3 said in New George Floyd video:
@Jolly said in New George Floyd video:
Bud, you don't count.
He'd better count.
He can barely count.
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We've all been pummeled with the "fact" this was a racist event. Protests. Riots. Cats and dogs mating in the streets.
So now, it turns out that the cop probably would have been an asshole to anybody in Floyd's condition. Because he could.
wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 14:25 last edited by@Jolly said in New George Floyd video:
We've all been pummeled with the "fact" this was a racist event. Protests. Riots. Cats and dogs mating in the streets.
So now, it turns out that the cop probably would have been an asshole to anybody in Floyd's condition. Because he could.
You're using a single caricature to describe "the protests," which I'll admit is advantageous for your agenda but isn't at all helpful with objectivity. (And by the way, you're moving the goalposts: I thought these protests weren't protests at all? I thought they were just an excuse to riot? If you're going to be single-minded about all the incidents nationwide then you need to pick one: excuse for anarchists to riot, or a ginned up anti-racism campaign.)
There's the incident itself, and the demonstrations. As far as the demonstrations go, you have (1) people wanting real change in the policing infrastructure in many states and cities, (2) the woke, and (3) rioters.
2 and 3 I think we both agree aren't worth taking seriously, and it's why I'm not against statue destroyers being rounded up by police. As for (1), their position is not informed only and exclusively by George Floyd. They've been harping on this for a long, long time. So you're going to have to do better than explaining away one incident if you want to discredit their position.
Anyway, that's a very rough sketch of the actual landscape we're dealing with. If you're going to lump it all together because you dislike them all equally then we're going to get nowhere.
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 14:34 last edited by
I think circa 100% of the people on the streets would have characterized their emotional response as against institutionalized racism rather than against police misconduct regardless of race. And rightly so. I mean, as reasons go, it is more plausible to react that way to this racism narrative than it would be to a notion that police misconduct is a super important issue for all of us which transcends skin color. Which puts the racism narrative squarely in the sights of those who wonder whether there's a huge problem here that merits the reaction.
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 14:37 last edited by
Short of cancelling Kindergarten Cop, no one has been able to coherently explain to me where systemic/institutional racism exists, what it actually consists of nor what exactly we should do about it.
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 14:51 last edited by
I think the idea is if enough of us white folk self-flagellate with Robin D’Angelo’s book it’ll fix the schools in Philly.
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 14:57 last edited by
In other words, magical thinking.
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 15:01 last edited by
McWhorter made the point on that recent podcast that never before in human history has a disadvantaged sub-culture risen due to the surrounding advantaged culture going out of their way to patronize them.
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 15:46 last edited by
Great observation.
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@Jolly said in New George Floyd video:
We've all been pummeled with the "fact" this was a racist event. Protests. Riots. Cats and dogs mating in the streets.
So now, it turns out that the cop probably would have been an asshole to anybody in Floyd's condition. Because he could.
You're using a single caricature to describe "the protests," which I'll admit is advantageous for your agenda but isn't at all helpful with objectivity. (And by the way, you're moving the goalposts: I thought these protests weren't protests at all? I thought they were just an excuse to riot? If you're going to be single-minded about all the incidents nationwide then you need to pick one: excuse for anarchists to riot, or a ginned up anti-racism campaign.)
There's the incident itself, and the demonstrations. As far as the demonstrations go, you have (1) people wanting real change in the policing infrastructure in many states and cities, (2) the woke, and (3) rioters.
2 and 3 I think we both agree aren't worth taking seriously, and it's why I'm not against statue destroyers being rounded up by police. As for (1), their position is not informed only and exclusively by George Floyd. They've been harping on this for a long, long time. So you're going to have to do better than explaining away one incident if you want to discredit their position.
Anyway, that's a very rough sketch of the actual landscape we're dealing with. If you're going to lump it all together because you dislike them all equally then we're going to get nowhere.
wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 17:21 last edited by Jolly 8 May 2020, 17:23@Aqua-Letifer said in New George Floyd video:
@Jolly said in New George Floyd video:
We've all been pummeled with the "fact" this was a racist event. Protests. Riots. Cats and dogs mating in the streets.
So now, it turns out that the cop probably would have been an asshole to anybody in Floyd's condition. Because he could.
You're using a single caricature to describe "the protests," which I'll admit is advantageous for your agenda but isn't at all helpful with objectivity. (And by the way, you're moving the goalposts: I thought these protests weren't protests at all? I thought they were just an excuse to riot? If you're going to be single-minded about all the incidents nationwide then you need to pick one: excuse for anarchists to riot, or a ginned up anti-racism campaign.)
There's the incident itself, and the demonstrations. As far as the demonstrations go, you have (1) people wanting real change in the policing infrastructure in many states and cities, (2) the woke, and (3) rioters.
2 and 3 I think we both agree aren't worth taking seriously, and it's why I'm not against statue destroyers being rounded up by police. As for (1), their position is not informed only and exclusively by George Floyd. They've been harping on this for a long, long time. So you're going to have to do better than explaining away one incident if you want to discredit their position.
Anyway, that's a very rough sketch of the actual landscape we're dealing with. If you're going to lump it all together because you dislike them all equally then we're going to get nowhere.
Note the word riots in my post. They may have started out as protests, but they devolved into riots very quickly.
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I think the idea is if enough of us white folk self-flagellate with Robin D’Angelo’s book it’ll fix the schools in Philly.
wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 17:22 last edited by@jon-nyc said in New George Floyd video:
I think the idea is if enough of us white folk self-flagellate with Robin D’Angelo’s book it’ll fix the schools in Philly.
Most white folk don't even know who D'Angelo is. Most black folk either.
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 17:25 last edited by
Are you trying to tell me that the schools in Philly won’t be fixed this year?
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wrote on 5 Aug 2020, 17:27 last edited by
@Catseye3 said in New George Floyd video:
@Jolly said in New George Floyd video:
Bud, you don't count.
He'd better count.
Why should he? Jon is white, upper middle class to lower upper class, socially liberal, but financially centrist and he will sometimes surprise you with a conservative opinion on an issue. He's not the poster boy for "woke" at all.
In the world of"Woke", he doesn't count.