Scrap the debates
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@Horace said in Scrap the debates:
Nothing to worry about in the debates then. It's a zero sum game after all. We're looking for relative suitability, not absolute.
Personally, I suspect Trump would come out better in the debates. And of course, you suspect that as well.
As I’ve said before, Trump doesn’t get penalized for his word salad like Biden does. He’s graded on a curve. None of his supporters need him to make sense.
wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 00:58 last edited byRandom insults aimed at unnamed citizens, classic TDS
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wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 01:00 last edited by
jon is wary of unfair reactions in favor of Trump, lol.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 01:19 last edited by
I’m not worried actually. I think the GOP has overplayed this and have set very low expectations for the debate.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 01:29 last edited by
Trump is a lot like AOC. They don’t need to make sense, they just need to emote in the resonant frequency of their respective tribes.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 01:34 last edited by
It's easy to compare Trump to a clown, but how about comparing him to Biden? Do you expect more than tribal noises coming from Biden?
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Trump is a lot like AOC. They don’t need to make sense, they just need to emote in the resonant frequency of their respective tribes.
wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 01:37 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
Trump is a lot like AOC. They don’t need to make sense, they just need to emote in the resonant frequency of their respective tribes.
But unlike AOC, coronavirus aside, he produced results that defied expectations and actually were amazing. So tough to swallow I admit.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 01:41 last edited by
Considering the certainty that Biden will make exactly the noises his tribe coaches him to make, it is difficult to see him as anything but a properly pedigreed tribal noise maker. Which I can totally understand is preferable to Trump, to many.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 01:52 last edited by jon-nyc
You’re high.
Unemployment hit a local minimum before hitting a 90 year maximum.
Like with virtually every president before him, the stock market hit new highs. But then much of gains were given back.
The world is less stable than how he found it and our position in it less secure.
The internal stability of the nation is at either a 50- or 150- year low (it’s too early to tell which).
He’s not even tried to manage the pandemic, rather he manages news cycles within it. And he only does that when a Fox personality guilts him into it.
The country is in far worse shape than it was 4 years ago.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 01:57 last edited by
As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH. The pandemic is likely a finite issue, and I think people know that. BLM and associated protests are becoming blah, as expected.
Can people blame Trump for his handling of the pandemic? Sure. I blame him, to an extent.
But I think Trump will have enough stats to throw out to generally deflect the predictable jabs Biden will make. He will have more energy and better jabs than Biden will and Biden risks having forgetful or mumbling moments, plus his teeth might even fall out.
These debates are Trump’s to lose.
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You’re high.
Unemployment hit a local minimum before hitting a 90 year maximum.
Like with virtually every president before him, the stock market hit new highs. But then much of gains were given back.
The world is less stable than how he found it and our position in it less secure.
The internal stability of the nation is at either a 50- or 150- year low (it’s too early to tell which).
He’s not even tried to manage the pandemic, rather he manages news cycles within it. And he only does that when a Fox personality guilts him into it.
The country is in far worse shape than it was 4 years ago.
wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 02:00 last edited by Loki@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
You’re high.
Unemployment hit a local minimum before hitting a 90 year maximum.
Like with virtually every president before him, the stock market hit new highs. But then much of gains were given back.
The world is less stable than how he found it and our position in it less secure.
The internal stability of the nation is at either a 50- or 150- year low (it’s too early to tell which).
He’s not even tried to manage the pandemic, rather he manages news cycles within it. And he only does that when a Fox personality guilts him into it.
The country is in far worse shape than it was 4 years ago.
If you think we had Iran, Russia, China and North Korea were contained you are drinking your bath water. And Europe’s problems could not be helped by the US so I don’t know who’s standing we have lost ground in. Prove your case.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 02:09 last edited by
I didn’t claim any particular nation was contained.
I said we’re worse off on almost every important metric, in the country and in the world.
Loki - do you believe the country is in a better spot today than 4 years ago?
Do you believe the world is? Serious questions, both.
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I didn’t claim any particular nation was contained.
I said we’re worse off on almost every important metric, in the country and in the world.
Loki - do you believe the country is in a better spot today than 4 years ago?
Do you believe the world is? Serious questions, both.
wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 02:15 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
I didn’t claim any particular nation was contained.
I said we’re worse off on almost every important metric, in the country and in the world.
Loki - do you believe the country is in a better spot today than 4 years ago?
Do you believe the world is? Serious questions, both.
No and no. Resounding now, largely attributed to Covid. Trump’s success was as a strongman in a world dominated by strongmen. I don’t like how we got there pre-Covid but the opposition has been so bat shit crazy that I am truly flummoxed as to which is worse. My end game would be a take down of a Trump and the Zucker’s of the world, of which I call him out because he is merely representative of the problem.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 02:16 last edited by Horace
I listened to Ezra Klein's show of a few days ago where he had a RINO on who hates Trump and wrote a book. I was honestly hoping to get insights. It was one of the most vacuous interviews I'd ever heard. The issue with TDS folk is that they are too consumed by their hatred to dispassionately judge ideas. The money quote in the interview was "more americans died in the last four months than in any other four month period. So how's Trump working out?". Zing! I guess that's the same sort of zinger as saying that unemployment hit a 90 year max.
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As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH. The pandemic is likely a finite issue, and I think people know that. BLM and associated protests are becoming blah, as expected.
Can people blame Trump for his handling of the pandemic? Sure. I blame him, to an extent.
But I think Trump will have enough stats to throw out to generally deflect the predictable jabs Biden will make. He will have more energy and better jabs than Biden will and Biden risks having forgetful or mumbling moments, plus his teeth might even fall out.
These debates are Trump’s to lose.
wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 02:31 last edited by@89th said in Scrap the debates:
As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH
The problem for President Trump is that his term did not end in January 2020.
If you are going to claim the successes, then you HAVE to claim the failures, right @Horace (just teasing you!!).
As President Truman say - "The buck stops here"
A president can't say - "Well, I did great for the first three years. Just dont bother looking at the last year!!!"
Personally, i do not blame President Trump for what has happened to the economy over the past 6 months. (But I also dont give him as much credit as he economically claims for the first three years 55555)
Unemployment
Nov 2016 = 4.7%
July 2020 = 10.2%SP 500
Nov 2016 = 2594
July 2020 = 3295GDP Growth
Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
2017 = 2.3%
2018 = 3.0%
2019 = 2.2%
2020 = -10%Debt
Nov 2016 = $19.9 trillion
July 2020 = $26.5 trillion
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@89th said in Scrap the debates:
As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH
The problem for President Trump is that his term did not end in January 2020.
If you are going to claim the successes, then you HAVE to claim the failures, right @Horace (just teasing you!!).
As President Truman say - "The buck stops here"
A president can't say - "Well, I did great for the first three years. Just dont bother looking at the last year!!!"
Personally, i do not blame President Trump for what has happened to the economy over the past 6 months. (But I also dont give him as much credit as he economically claims for the first three years 55555)
Unemployment
Nov 2016 = 4.7%
July 2020 = 10.2%SP 500
Nov 2016 = 2594
July 2020 = 3295GDP Growth
Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
2017 = 2.3%
2018 = 3.0%
2019 = 2.2%
2020 = -10%Debt
Nov 2016 = $19.9 trillion
July 2020 = $26.5 trillion
(increase of 33%)wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 02:37 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:
@89th said in Scrap the debates:
As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH
The problem for President Trump is that his term did not end in January 2020.
If you are going to claim the successes, then you HAVE to claim the failures, right @Horace (just teasing you!!).
We are all free to judge by any criteria we see fit. I suspect you will find a strong correlation between those who do not like Trump and those who think he is obligated to accept blame for the effects of the pandemic.
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@89th said in Scrap the debates:
As of January 2020, per the state of the union address, the USA was in its best shape EVAH
The problem for President Trump is that his term did not end in January 2020.
If you are going to claim the successes, then you HAVE to claim the failures, right @Horace (just teasing you!!).
As President Truman say - "The buck stops here"
A president can't say - "Well, I did great for the first three years. Just dont bother looking at the last year!!!"
Personally, i do not blame President Trump for what has happened to the economy over the past 6 months. (But I also dont give him as much credit as he economically claims for the first three years 55555)
Unemployment
Nov 2016 = 4.7%
July 2020 = 10.2%SP 500
Nov 2016 = 2594
July 2020 = 3295GDP Growth
Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
2017 = 2.3%
2018 = 3.0%
2019 = 2.2%
2020 = -10%Debt
Nov 2016 = $19.9 trillion
July 2020 = $26.5 trillion
(increase of 33%)wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 02:39 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:
GDP Growth
Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
2017 = 2.3%
2018 = 3.0%
2019 = 2.2%
2020 = -10%No, no, no. 2020 isn’t annualized. It was -32.9% in the 2nd quarter.
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@taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:
GDP Growth
Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
2017 = 2.3%
2018 = 3.0%
2019 = 2.2%
2020 = -10%No, no, no. 2020 isn’t annualized. It was -32.9% in the 2nd quarter.
wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 02:46 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
@taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:
GDP Growth
Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
2017 = 2.3%
2018 = 3.0%
2019 = 2.2%
2020 = -10%No, no, no. 2020 isn’t annualized. It was -32.9% in the 2nd quarter.
We will see how long Biden keeps the US shut down after he is President. This is going to be fun to watch. But no one will care when I point out how much the narrative changed.
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@taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:
GDP Growth
Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
2017 = 2.3%
2018 = 3.0%
2019 = 2.2%
2020 = -10%No, no, no. 2020 isn’t annualized. It was -32.9% in the 2nd quarter.
wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 02:46 last edited by@jon-nyc Ah okay. I must have misread the table I was looking at. Thanks Jon for the correction!
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@jon-nyc said in Scrap the debates:
@taiwan_girl said in Scrap the debates:
GDP Growth
Annual during President Trump = (-2%)
2017 = 2.3%
2018 = 3.0%
2019 = 2.2%
2020 = -10%No, no, no. 2020 isn’t annualized. It was -32.9% in the 2nd quarter.
We will see how long Biden keeps the US shut down after he is President. This is going to be fun to watch. But no one will care when I point out how much the narrative changed.
wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 02:47 last edited by@Loki said in Scrap the debates:
But no one will care when I point out how much the narrative changed.
I disagree. The President should be accountable, no matter who he is.
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wrote on 13 Aug 2020, 02:52 last edited by
There are those who may be inclined to judge people based on how they played the hand they were dealt, rather than mostly judging the hand they were dealt. You are advocating for judging the person by the random deal. Which is your prerogative, but to me it doesn't seem very well considered.
Education is extremely important.
