Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness
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wrote on 1 Aug 2020, 15:49 last edited by
I'm talking to you, aren't I?
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@jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
I'm talking to you, aren't I?
Your ability to interact with the rabble from your perch above it all is always impressive.
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wrote on 1 Aug 2020, 15:56 last edited by
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wrote on 1 Aug 2020, 15:56 last edited by Larry 8 Jan 2020, 16:06
It doesnt seem to have occurred to Jon that what he sees as "tribalism" from Horace is merely a normal and healthy ability to tell the difference between shit and shinola, and it is Jon's TDS that's standing in the way of him having that ability himself.
But of course I'm just a poor old Injun from the South so what would I know...
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@89th said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
Not until I start grinning and calling someone Richard. THEN it's on....... hahaha
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And by the way, the reason you remember what I allegedly wrote so vividly, is because it confirmed your bias that there's something psychologically wrong with Trump supporters. It's been your ground truth about my Trump support ever since, and from that seed of contempt grew your comfortable total dismissal of me as a tribal pill swallower. It's all very lazy of you.
wrote on 1 Aug 2020, 16:16 last edited by@Horace said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
And by the way, the reason you remember what I allegedly wrote so vividly, is because it confirmed ....
This is an interesting sentence. You're conceding that reading such a statement from you would stick in my memory, while at the same time casting doubt on it. Seems like you should pick one?
Anyway, I'll give you the much - we all have lots of motivations for things we do, many if not most unknown to us. The one a person reports at a particular time isn't the whole picture. But it contains information nevertheless.
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wrote on 1 Aug 2020, 16:34 last edited by
I think you took something out of full context, leaped at a few words that fit with something that you want to believe. Something that makes the world simpler, more comprehensible and self-serving. This is how the human mind operates. I am not immune from that, but I try to have some humility around that.
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But that said, and as I mentioned above, everybody thinks some selective destruction is for the best sometimes. It is not categorically insane, while your convenient framing of what I said was meant to be categorically insane.
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In our populist movements the select statement is getting much too broad.
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wrote on 1 Aug 2020, 16:51 last edited by
Yes I have often bemoaned the mindless destructive impulses of the left, cloaked in righteousness, that have become more and more prevalent in the Trump era.
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Yes you have. You are quite good at recognizing the shortcomings of the outgroup.
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wrote on 1 Aug 2020, 16:57 last edited by Catseye3 8 Jan 2020, 17:03
Moving on down in the article, in any discussion, Sullivan writes, "An oppressed person’s word is always the last one."
Is that because the other is struck dumb by the surreal stupidity with which he is confronted? He stands there, mouth agape, with nothing to say, while the SJW struts off, satisfied at having silenced another disgusting heteronormal.
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@jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
Yes you have. You are quite good at recognizing the shortcomings of the outgroup.
Thanks jon. And you're good at seeming like the sort of person who doesn't take sides.
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Moving on down in the article, in any discussion, Sullivan writes, "An oppressed person’s word is always the last one."
Is that because the other is struck dumb by the surreal stupidity with which he is confronted? He stands there, mouth agape, with nothing to say, while the SJW struts off, satisfied at having silenced another disgusting heteronormal.
wrote on 1 Aug 2020, 17:02 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
Moving on down in the article, in any discussion, Sullivan writes, "An oppressed person’s word is always the last one."
Is that because the other is struck dumb by the surreal stupidity with which he is confronted?
No, that's because of the weaponized cancellation of anybody who questions whether oppression grants ultimate authority in cultural/political discussions.
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I've been snooting this article, not wishing to know nuttin' about no roots of wokeness (the flowering of it is hideous enough), but I finally decided that since Jon is not in the habit of posting useless bullshit, I'd better give it a look-see.
The Pluckrose etc book theorizes that "The entire concept of reason—whether the Enlightenment version or even the ancient Socratic understanding—is a myth designed to serve the interests of those in power, and therefore deserves to be undermined and 'problematized’ whenever possible."
This comes as close to philosophical obscenity as is possible to get. Not to mention that people who actually utilize a ghastly non-word like 'problematized' deserve to go before a firing squad.
Not even to be offered a last pre-fusillade cigarette, either. I know, this is harsh, but there are sins of usage too appalling to be permitted and must be stamped out without mercy. They scorch the eye and horrify the brain. They cross far over a line which may not be crossed in even a semi-literate society.
Rats, I seem to have digressed somewhat from the article. Though I hardly ever do that, I think I'll stop here and go back and finish reading, with thanks to Jon. Loving Andrew Sullivan. Is he married, do you know? Asking for a friend.
I like this, too: "Most normal people have never heard of this [critical] theory . . . that is nonetheless changing the very words we speak and write and the very rationale of the institutions integral to liberal democracy." (Italics mine.)
wrote on 1 Aug 2020, 17:03 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
Rats, I seem to have digressed somewhat from the article. Though I hardly ever do that, I think I'll stop here and go back and finish reading, with thanks to Jon. Loving Andrew Sullivan. Is he married, do you know? Asking for a friend.
He is, and he's gay. And English. One out of three ain't bad
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wrote on 1 Aug 2020, 17:05 last edited by jon-nyc 8 Jan 2020, 17:06
Except not. If you criticize and make fun of both Trumpism and wokeness you don’t make too many friends. Look at some of my threads next door criticizing wokeness -you can practically hear people sputter and point. And here, look at the grief I get from you for refusing that orange pill.
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@Catseye3 said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
Rats, I seem to have digressed somewhat from the article. Though I hardly ever do that, I think I'll stop here and go back and finish reading, with thanks to Jon. Loving Andrew Sullivan. Is he married, do you know? Asking for a friend.
He is, and he's gay. And English. One out of three ain't bad
wrote on 1 Aug 2020, 17:06 last edited by Catseye3 8 Jan 2020, 17:15@Doctor-Phibes said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
He is, and he's gay.
Oh, boogersnot.
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Except not. If you criticize and make fun of both Trumpism and wokeness you don’t make too many friends. Look at some of my threads next door criticizing wokeness -you can practically hear people sputter and point. And here, look at the grief I get from you for refusing that orange pill.
wrote on 1 Aug 2020, 17:09 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
Except not. If you criticize and make fun of both Trumpism and wokeness you don’t make too many friends. Look at some of my threads next door criticizing wokeness -you can practically hear people sputter and point. And here, look at the grief I get from you for refusing that orange pill.
I think the word Trumpism is a convenient one used to integrate anybody who prefers Trump to his current political opposition, with Trump himself. Wokeness on the other hand is a blatant large-scale cultural movement, permeating every aspect of this culture we all have to exist in.
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Except not. If you criticize and make fun of both Trumpism and wokeness you don’t make too many friends. Look at some of my threads next door criticizing wokeness -you can practically hear people sputter and point. And here, look at the grief I get from you for refusing that orange pill.
wrote on 1 Aug 2020, 17:10 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Andrew Sullivan on The Roots of Wokeness:
Except not. If you criticize and make fun of both Trumpism and wokeness you don’t make too many friends. Look at some of my threads next door criticizing wokeness -you can practically hear people sputter and point. And here, look at the grief I get from you for refusing that orange pill.
If you don't fit in a handy little compartment it upsets people. You need to either embrace The Woke or The Orange.