Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud
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I think the Senate could go either way even with a Trump loss. But I haven't been paying too much attention.
@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
I think the Senate could go either way even with a Trump loss. But I haven't been paying too much attention.
Back in early February with Bernie leading, that was the best case scenario. Trump was going to win easily (until COVID hit), and Bernie would've helped the GOP as Bernie's name would've helped mute the left side of the ballot. Of course, all of that changed.
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@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Larry said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
Nor do I believe the polls that say he's ahead.
Trumps internal polling is almost certainly abysmal, hence this tweet.
Nah, I think it's a pre-emptive strike.
There are problems with mail-in ballots and we all know it. They are extremely easy to manipulate and ballot harvest. They also lend themselves to an October Surprise, if it's done well, especially with a Biden-friendly media.
As for poll numbers...I think Trump is down about five, but it's not even Labor Day. And the more Biden has to campaign, the more his senility is expressed.
@Jolly said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
There are problems with mail-in ballots and we all know it. They are extremely easy to manipulate and ballot harvest.
Along these lines, how would mail-in ballots even work?
For example, when we traditionally vote at a polling station, at least for me, I'd show ID, they would find my name on the registered voter list, and I would vote. Then the ballots all go somewhere and I hope/trust they are counted accurately.
Whereas for mail-in ballots, would ballots be sent out to only registered voters? How would the folks counting the ballots even know the ballot they received was filled out by the person who's name is on the ballot? Heck, how would the folks counting the ballots know if someone made 1,000 copies of their ballot and sent them all in?
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Here they send an official interior envelope with your voter info on it with the ballot.
So you fill out the ballot, put it in the marked envelope, sign it and seal it, then put that in the mailing envelope.
And you sign the ballot too. Someone matches the signature with the one on file from your registration. It’s not that different than voting in person.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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I'd be willing to bet with other people's money that if Trump loses he will complain about voter fraud, and will not bow out gracefully, but will whine like a spoilt little baby.
I was only joking
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I'd be willing to bet with other people's money that if Trump loses he will complain about voter fraud, and will not bow out gracefully, but will whine like a spoilt little baby.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
I'd be willing to bet with other people's money that if Trump loses he will complain about voter fraud, and will not bow out gracefully, but will whine like a spoilt little baby.
I'd be willing to be my own money on that.
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Anyone who thinks the election will be delayed I will give 100 to 1 odds on. Unlimited money.
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I'd be willing to bet with other people's money that if Trump loses he will complain about voter fraud, and will not bow out gracefully, but will whine like a spoilt little baby.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
I'd be willing to bet with other people's money that if Trump loses he will complain about voter fraud, and will not bow out gracefully, but will whine like a spoilt little baby.
More likely he will blame it on Covid. I’ll bet you on that as well. 5 to 1 odds. Private message me with the amount.
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@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
As a thought experiment, imagine what a Trump concession speech would sound like.
Trick question. Trump will lose but he will be too much of a sore loser to give any "concession speech."
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I’m not as confident that he’ll lose. But I find the polling and his mood encouraging. But it’s early and, fool me once...
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I read somewhere that President Trump used a mail in ballot this past spring to vote in Florida, (and also previous while he was NY resident). He must not think it is too bad.
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Lightning striking twice in the same spot would be unexplainable. Covid made it impossible to make America great again. The premise failed.
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Here they send an official interior envelope with your voter info on it with the ballot.
So you fill out the ballot, put it in the marked envelope, sign it and seal it, then put that in the mailing envelope.
And you sign the ballot too. Someone matches the signature with the one on file from your registration. It’s not that different than voting in person.
@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
Here they send an official interior envelope with your voter info on it with the ballot.
So you fill out the ballot, put it in the marked envelope, sign it and seal it, then put that in the mailing envelope.
And you sign the ballot too. Someone matches the signature with the one on file from your registration. It’s not that different than voting in person.
Interesting, good to know. A couple follow-ons:
- I wonder what the deadline will be to finalize the ballots (names, referendums, etc)
- I wonder what the deadline will be to MAIL your ballot
- Could a person vote in-person, too? How would the system know?
- Won't all of the hard copy ballot counting (and signature analysis?) take for-e-ver?
- If successful, this could be the way all elections are done in the future.
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I read somewhere that President Trump used a mail in ballot this past spring to vote in Florida, (and also previous while he was NY resident). He must not think it is too bad.
@taiwan_girl said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
I read somewhere that President Trump used a mail in ballot this past spring to vote in Florida, (and also previous while he was NY resident). He must not think it is too bad.
I think that's absentee where you have to actively request a ballot be sent to you, and thus are removed from on-site polling voter lists. Whereas I presume mail-in ballots would be sent in bulk to all registered voters, whether they asked for one or not?
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89th - re voting twice I assume they guard against that in approximately the same way. My vote, or rather the fact that I voted, gets recorded at the polling station.
The ‘internal envelope’ I mentioned has my info in machine readable format. I would assume it gets read when it is opened and processed. It certainly could be.
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Re deadline here for state elections they have to be postmarked on Election Day. It does take time to count them
My local school budget vote required the ballots to be received on Election Day. But this year was their first year experimenting with them.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@jon-nyc Fair enough. So someone could vote in the polling station while their "envelope is in the mail" but when counting happens at the end, a system would identify that a person has voted 2+ times and would reduce their count to one, prioritizing the mail-in vote selection first [which is important in case the person selected different values on the two+ ballots].
