Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud
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@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
As a thought experiment, imagine what a Trump concession speech would sound like.
Trick question. Trump will lose but he will be too much of a sore loser to give any "concession speech."
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I’m not as confident that he’ll lose. But I find the polling and his mood encouraging. But it’s early and, fool me once...
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I read somewhere that President Trump used a mail in ballot this past spring to vote in Florida, (and also previous while he was NY resident). He must not think it is too bad.
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Lightning striking twice in the same spot would be unexplainable. Covid made it impossible to make America great again. The premise failed.
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Here they send an official interior envelope with your voter info on it with the ballot.
So you fill out the ballot, put it in the marked envelope, sign it and seal it, then put that in the mailing envelope.
And you sign the ballot too. Someone matches the signature with the one on file from your registration. It’s not that different than voting in person.
@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
Here they send an official interior envelope with your voter info on it with the ballot.
So you fill out the ballot, put it in the marked envelope, sign it and seal it, then put that in the mailing envelope.
And you sign the ballot too. Someone matches the signature with the one on file from your registration. It’s not that different than voting in person.
Interesting, good to know. A couple follow-ons:
- I wonder what the deadline will be to finalize the ballots (names, referendums, etc)
- I wonder what the deadline will be to MAIL your ballot
- Could a person vote in-person, too? How would the system know?
- Won't all of the hard copy ballot counting (and signature analysis?) take for-e-ver?
- If successful, this could be the way all elections are done in the future.
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I read somewhere that President Trump used a mail in ballot this past spring to vote in Florida, (and also previous while he was NY resident). He must not think it is too bad.
@taiwan_girl said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
I read somewhere that President Trump used a mail in ballot this past spring to vote in Florida, (and also previous while he was NY resident). He must not think it is too bad.
I think that's absentee where you have to actively request a ballot be sent to you, and thus are removed from on-site polling voter lists. Whereas I presume mail-in ballots would be sent in bulk to all registered voters, whether they asked for one or not?
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89th - re voting twice I assume they guard against that in approximately the same way. My vote, or rather the fact that I voted, gets recorded at the polling station.
The ‘internal envelope’ I mentioned has my info in machine readable format. I would assume it gets read when it is opened and processed. It certainly could be.
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Re deadline here for state elections they have to be postmarked on Election Day. It does take time to count them
My local school budget vote required the ballots to be received on Election Day. But this year was their first year experimenting with them.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@jon-nyc Fair enough. So someone could vote in the polling station while their "envelope is in the mail" but when counting happens at the end, a system would identify that a person has voted 2+ times and would reduce their count to one, prioritizing the mail-in vote selection first [which is important in case the person selected different values on the two+ ballots].
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Re deadline here for state elections they have to be postmarked on Election Day. It does take time to count them
My local school budget vote required the ballots to be received on Election Day. But this year was their first year experimenting with them.
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@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
It does take time to count them
What will Wolf Blitzer talk about on election night then?
@89th said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
It does take time to count them
What will Wolf Blitzer talk about on election night then?
Yeah the days of instant gratification might be over, seriously.
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I should say I’m not a fan of mail in voting generally but during a pandemic year it’s a no brainer.
The reason I’m not a big fan is it allows people to sell their vote or be bullied, cajoled, or threatened into voting a certain way.
You could imagine unions holding voting events wheee everyone brings their ballots with them to headquarters to fill out ‘together’.
As long as voting is private, such abuses are avoided. Any non-private method (even a printed receipt in electronic voting) is open to this kind of abuse.
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Here they send an official interior envelope with your voter info on it with the ballot.
So you fill out the ballot, put it in the marked envelope, sign it and seal it, then put that in the mailing envelope.
And you sign the ballot too. Someone matches the signature with the one on file from your registration. It’s not that different than voting in person.
@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
Here they send an official interior envelope with your voter info on it with the ballot.
So you fill out the ballot, put it in the marked envelope, sign it and seal it, then put that in the mailing envelope.
And you sign the ballot too. Someone matches the signature with the one on file from your registration. It’s not that different than voting in person.
And just how would they match those signatures?
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Same way they do in person. With the signature from your registration document.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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@89th , different states do vote-by-mail differently, just like different states do in-person voting differently.
Oregon Vote-by-Mail:
https://sos.oregon.gov/voting/pages/voteinor.aspxNew Jersey Vote-by-Mail:
https://www.state.nj.us/state/elections/vote-by-mail.shtmlColorado Vote-by-Mail:
https://www.sos.state.co.us/pubs/elections/FAQs/mailBallotsFAQ.htmlFlorida Vote-by-Mail:
https://dos.myflorida.com/elections/for-voters/voting/vote-by-mail/Do a web search to see how your state's vote-by-mail system works. Assuming you want to vote and you want your vote to count, then getting your research done early and complete whatever procedural steps your state requires early will only help.
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Presumably. The setup is all there. I can’t say I know for sure everything that happens behind the scenes
@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
I can’t say I know for sure everything that happens behind the scenes
Fair enough and, let's be honest, the current method where your ballot is sucked into the scanner at the polling place and sent <somewhere> and counted by <something/someone> already has a ton of trust and zero traceability involved.
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@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
Same way they do in person. With the signature from your registration document.
So when I vote in person, I give my name and address and they look me up is a physical book. That book has a place for me to sign. Next to it is a copy of my signature from registration which they can match it to. In practice I’m not sure how carefully the little old ladies volunteering in my little village do that.
We don’t do voter ID here.
