Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud
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@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Klaus - yeah of course if any person had sufficient backing from the military they could take over.
I don't see that as a risk in 2020. The bigger risk is Trump-friendly state governments attempting to invalidate whole classes of votes, putting up a competing slate of electors, or just never sending any, in order to throw the election into the house.
It's weird how you fail to mention that some Democrat electors tried this in 2016 as a last ditch righteous attempt to keep Trump out of office.
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@Horace said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.
One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.
Preach on, brother...
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@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken
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Biden is a centrist. The only question is his effectiveness and ability to lead.
Even Obama who tried to push through some progressive ideas early on received the feedback of losing the House, The Senate and Governorships in that order. At the end of the day Obama looked pretty similar to Bill Clinton and the Republic did well enough.
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@Horace said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.
One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.
Bingo. Horace wins the internet today.
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@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Horace said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.
One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.
Bingo. Horace wins the internet today.
Taking your bell curve one step forward, it’s the fight on both sides for the middle. Who is going to win their hearts and minds because that where the bulk of the votes are.
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Well I’ll throw some cold water on trumps stupidity.
In the impossible situation where federal law is changed and the election is delayed. The constitution rules that the presidents term ends January 20. If there is no president elect, than (sit down larry) pelosi becomes president.
In cases where there is no president-elect or vice president-elect, the amendment also gives the Congress the authority to declare an acting president until such time as there is a president or vice president. At this point the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 would apply, with the office of the Presidency going to the speaker of the House of Representatives, followed by the president pro tempore of the Senate and various Cabinet officers.
And if you want to see the original wording of the act
80TH UNITED STATES CONGRESS
1ST SESSION
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That(a)
(1) if, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President.
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Eons ago I redd a novel by Fletcher Knebel called (I think) Dark Horse. The premise: through some bizarre circumstance all those in the line of succession are killed, and the job goes (somehow, I don't remember how) to the New Jersey Commissioner of Highways. The rest of the book is about how this guy copes. It was pretty good actually.
I'd like to read it again, but I think it's out of print.
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Remember king Ralph?
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@bachophile Yes! A double treat, with John Goodman and Peter O'Toole!
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@Catseye3 said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
Eons ago I redd a novel by Fletcher Knebel called (I think) Dark Horse. The premise: through some bizarre circumstance all those in the line of succession are killed, and the job goes (somehow, I don't remember how) to the New Jersey Commissioner of Highways. The rest of the book is about how this guy copes. It was pretty good actually.
I'd like to read it again, but I think it's out of print.
https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Horse-Fletcher-Knebel/dp/0385067046/ref=sr_1_5
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@bachophile said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
Very many thanks, Bach!
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@Catseye3 said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken
Thank God we're not a democracy.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Catseye3 said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
@Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken
Thank God we're not a democracy.
(Is the date for election set in the Constitution?)
Andy McCarthy:
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@jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
I think the Senate could go either way even with a Trump loss. But I haven't been paying too much attention.
Back in early February with Bernie leading, that was the best case scenario. Trump was going to win easily (until COVID hit), and Bernie would've helped the GOP as Bernie's name would've helped mute the left side of the ballot. Of course, all of that changed.
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@Jolly said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:
There are problems with mail-in ballots and we all know it. They are extremely easy to manipulate and ballot harvest.
Along these lines, how would mail-in ballots even work?
For example, when we traditionally vote at a polling station, at least for me, I'd show ID, they would find my name on the registered voter list, and I would vote. Then the ballots all go somewhere and I hope/trust they are counted accurately.
Whereas for mail-in ballots, would ballots be sent out to only registered voters? How would the folks counting the ballots even know the ballot they received was filled out by the person who's name is on the ballot? Heck, how would the folks counting the ballots know if someone made 1,000 copies of their ballot and sent them all in?
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Here they send an official interior envelope with your voter info on it with the ballot.
So you fill out the ballot, put it in the marked envelope, sign it and seal it, then put that in the mailing envelope.
And you sign the ballot too. Someone matches the signature with the one on file from your registration. It’s not that different than voting in person.
