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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #31

    What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.

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      #32

      @Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

      What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.

      That'd be a first.

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • MikM Mik

        What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.

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        #33

        @Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

        What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.

        That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?

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          Larry
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          #34

          Yes. But that won't happen. It won't happen because the democrats don't give a damn about America, and half the republicans don't either.

          But you're correct.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            @Larry said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

            Nor do I believe the polls that say he's ahead.

            Trumps internal polling is almost certainly abysmal, hence this tweet.

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            #35

            @jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

            @Larry said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

            Nor do I believe the polls that say he's ahead.

            Trumps internal polling is almost certainly abysmal, hence this tweet.

            Nah, I think it's a pre-emptive strike.

            There are problems with mail-in ballots and we all know it. They are extremely easy to manipulate and ballot harvest. They also lend themselves to an October Surprise, if it's done well, especially with a Biden-friendly media.

            As for poll numbers...I think Trump is down about five, but it's not even Labor Day. And the more Biden has to campaign, the more his senility is expressed.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • KlausK Klaus

              @Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

              What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.

              That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?

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              @Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

              @Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

              What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.

              That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?

              I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.

              One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                @Klaus - yeah of course if any person had sufficient backing from the military they could take over.

                I don't see that as a risk in 2020. The bigger risk is Trump-friendly state governments attempting to invalidate whole classes of votes, putting up a competing slate of electors, or just never sending any, in order to throw the election into the house.

                (note that an election in the house probably goes to Trump, because it isn't a straight vote of representatives, it's a vote by state delegation)

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                @jon-nyc said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                @Klaus - yeah of course if any person had sufficient backing from the military they could take over.

                I don't see that as a risk in 2020. The bigger risk is Trump-friendly state governments attempting to invalidate whole classes of votes, putting up a competing slate of electors, or just never sending any, in order to throw the election into the house.

                It's weird how you fail to mention that some Democrat electors tried this in 2016 as a last ditch righteous attempt to keep Trump out of office.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  @Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                  @Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                  What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.

                  That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?

                  I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.

                  One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.

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                  Jolly
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                  #38

                  @Horace said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                  @Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                  @Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                  What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.

                  That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?

                  I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.

                  One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.

                  Preach on, brother...

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    #39

                    If Mr. Biden wanted a delay due to racism, it would already be a done deal.

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                    • KlausK Klaus

                      @Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                      What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.

                      That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?

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                      Catseye3
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                      #40

                      @Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                      That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?

                      "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        Loki
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                        #41

                        Biden is a centrist. The only question is his effectiveness and ability to lead.

                        Even Obama who tried to push through some progressive ideas early on received the feedback of losing the House, The Senate and Governorships in that order. At the end of the day Obama looked pretty similar to Bill Clinton and the Republic did well enough.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                          @Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                          What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.

                          That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?

                          I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.

                          One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.

                          MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
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                          #42

                          @Horace said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                          @Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                          @Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                          What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.

                          That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?

                          I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.

                          One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.

                          Bingo. Horace wins the internet today.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            @Horace said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                            @Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                            @Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                            What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.

                            That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?

                            I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.

                            One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.

                            Bingo. Horace wins the internet today.

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                            Loki
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                            #43

                            @Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                            @Horace said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                            @Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                            @Mik said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                            What we need is for both sides to quit playing power politics and start serving the people of this country.

                            That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?

                            I have zero doubt that the left are fully convinced that they serve the people of the country.

                            One of the more insidious aspects of our learned righteousness is that compassion is for the least advantaged materially, and the bulk of the bell curve can go F itself. Entire societies can apparently be led by attaching the leash to the tail of the bell curve and shaming everybody for not devoting all their attention to it, hang the expense.

                            Bingo. Horace wins the internet today.

                            Taking your bell curve one step forward, it’s the fight on both sides for the middle. Who is going to win their hearts and minds because that where the bulk of the votes are.

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                              bachophile
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                              Well I’ll throw some cold water on trumps stupidity.

                              In the impossible situation where federal law is changed and the election is delayed. The constitution rules that the presidents term ends January 20. If there is no president elect, than (sit down larry) pelosi becomes president.

                              In cases where there is no president-elect or vice president-elect, the amendment also gives the Congress the authority to declare an acting president until such time as there is a president or vice president. At this point the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 would apply, with the office of the Presidency going to the speaker of the House of Representatives, followed by the president pro tempore of the Senate and various Cabinet officers.

                              And if you want to see the original wording of the act

                              80TH UNITED STATES CONGRESS
                              1ST SESSION
                              Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That

                              (a)

                              (1) if, by reason of death, resignation, removal from office, inability, or failure to qualify, there is neither a President nor Vice President to discharge the powers and duties of the office of President, then the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, upon his resignation as Speaker and as Representative in Congress, act as President.

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                                Eons ago I redd a novel by Fletcher Knebel called (I think) Dark Horse. The premise: through some bizarre circumstance all those in the line of succession are killed, and the job goes (somehow, I don't remember how) to the New Jersey Commissioner of Highways. The rest of the book is about how this guy copes. It was pretty good actually.

                                I'd like to read it again, but I think it's out of print.

                                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                  Remember king Ralph?

                                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Ralph

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                                  • bachophileB bachophile

                                    Remember king Ralph?

                                    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Ralph

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                                    @bachophile Yes! A double treat, with John Goodman and Peter O'Toole!

                                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                    • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                      Eons ago I redd a novel by Fletcher Knebel called (I think) Dark Horse. The premise: through some bizarre circumstance all those in the line of succession are killed, and the job goes (somehow, I don't remember how) to the New Jersey Commissioner of Highways. The rest of the book is about how this guy copes. It was pretty good actually.

                                      I'd like to read it again, but I think it's out of print.

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                                      @Catseye3 said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                                      Eons ago I redd a novel by Fletcher Knebel called (I think) Dark Horse. The premise: through some bizarre circumstance all those in the line of succession are killed, and the job goes (somehow, I don't remember how) to the New Jersey Commissioner of Highways. The rest of the book is about how this guy copes. It was pretty good actually.

                                      I'd like to read it again, but I think it's out of print.

                                      https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Horse-Fletcher-Knebel/dp/0385067046/ref=sr_1_5

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                                        @bachophile said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                                        Very many thanks, Bach!

                                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                        • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                          @Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                                          That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?

                                          "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken

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                                          @Catseye3 said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                                          @Klaus said in Trump suggests election delay to counter voter fraud:

                                          That sounds good in theory, but what if the people have very diverging conceptions of how they want to be governed?

                                          "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken

                                          Thank God we're not a democracy.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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