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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 11:36 last edited by
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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 11:50 last edited by
@George-K said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Then.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-war-hamas-deaths-killings.html
That may be one of the most disturbing things in this thread. It represents the editorial mindset and leadership of The Paper of Record.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 12:33 last edited by
@George-K said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Then.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-war-hamas-deaths-killings.html
If it was Hamas, and they are the leaders in the Palestinian government, are they terrorists or are they an army? There’s a distinction there.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 13:38 last edited by
Criminals vs. War Crimes?
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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 14:05 last edited by
@Jolly said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Criminals vs. War Crimes?
My ass. Look at the planning, the groups who coordinated the attack, the multi-faceted nature of the attack, the financing, etc., etc.
It's a fucking war crime.
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@George-K said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Then.
Now.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-war-hamas-deaths-killings.html
If it was Hamas, and they are the leaders in the Palestinian government, are they terrorists or are they an army? There’s a distinction there.
wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 15:21 last edited by Renauda 10 Nov 2023, 15:40If it was Hamas, and they are the leaders in the Palestinian government, are they terrorists or are they an army? There’s a distinction there.
Big distinction. Sovereign states maintain armies. Hamas is not an army but rather a para military terrorist organisation that has control over the mainly Muslim and a few Christian inhabitants of the small ethnic enclave of Israel called Gaza. Gaza is no more a sovereign state than Kwazulu in South Africa or Wounded Knee Indian Reservation in the USA.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 15:27 last edited by
I suppose this belongs in this thread:
Vladimir Putin asks both sides in the Gaza War to minimise or eliminate civilian casualties
In other words, to not fight like Russia does in Ukraine.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 16:04 last edited by
@George-K said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
The journalist could've gone with the middle school-level, yet effective, approach of saying "If you don't say anything I will take your silence that you condone Hamas' actions."
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@George-K said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
The journalist could've gone with the middle school-level, yet effective, approach of saying "If you don't say anything I will take your silence that you condone Hamas' actions."
wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 16:11 last edited by@89th said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
The journalist could've gone with the middle school-level, yet effective, approach of saying "If you don't say anything I will take your silence that you condone Hamas' actions."
And, as I commented elsewhere - "I thought silence was violence?"
Where is your St. George Floyd now, infidel?
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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 16:56 last edited by
I think obviously the congressperson likes babies' heads chopped off.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 17:00 last edited by
@Copper said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
I think obviously the congressperson likes babies' heads chopped off.
That tracks with their abortion stance.
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If it was Hamas, and they are the leaders in the Palestinian government, are they terrorists or are they an army? There’s a distinction there.
Big distinction. Sovereign states maintain armies. Hamas is not an army but rather a para military terrorist organisation that has control over the mainly Muslim and a few Christian inhabitants of the small ethnic enclave of Israel called Gaza. Gaza is no more a sovereign state than Kwazulu in South Africa or Wounded Knee Indian Reservation in the USA.
wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 18:18 last edited by@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
If it was Hamas, and they are the leaders in the Palestinian government, are they terrorists or are they an army? There’s a distinction there.
Big distinction. Sovereign states maintain armies. Hamas is not an army but rather a para military terrorist organisation that has control over the mainly Muslim and a few Christian inhabitants of the small ethnic enclave of Israel called Gaza. Gaza is no more a sovereign state than Kwazulu in South Africa or Wounded Knee Indian Reservation in the USA.
But we already know the Iranian government had a significant part to play in this.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 18:21 last edited by
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@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
If it was Hamas, and they are the leaders in the Palestinian government, are they terrorists or are they an army? There’s a distinction there.
Big distinction. Sovereign states maintain armies. Hamas is not an army but rather a para military terrorist organisation that has control over the mainly Muslim and a few Christian inhabitants of the small ethnic enclave of Israel called Gaza. Gaza is no more a sovereign state than Kwazulu in South Africa or Wounded Knee Indian Reservation in the USA.
But we already know the Iranian government had a significant part to play in this.
wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 18:26 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
If it was Hamas, and they are the leaders in the Palestinian government, are they terrorists or are they an army? There’s a distinction there.
Big distinction. Sovereign states maintain armies. Hamas is not an army but rather a para military terrorist organisation that has control over the mainly Muslim and a few Christian inhabitants of the small ethnic enclave of Israel called Gaza. Gaza is no more a sovereign state than Kwazulu in South Africa or Wounded Knee Indian Reservation in the USA.
But we already know the Iranian government had a significant part to play in this.
There are reports that some of the Hamas fighters were speaking Persian.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 19:04 last edited by
@George-K said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Then.
Now.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-war-hamas-deaths-killings.html
I'm surprised they left the word "massacre" in there. Perhaps "de-lifing" would sound less judgy.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 19:09 last edited by
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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 19:14 last edited by
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@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
If it was Hamas, and they are the leaders in the Palestinian government, are they terrorists or are they an army? There’s a distinction there.
Big distinction. Sovereign states maintain armies. Hamas is not an army but rather a para military terrorist organisation that has control over the mainly Muslim and a few Christian inhabitants of the small ethnic enclave of Israel called Gaza. Gaza is no more a sovereign state than Kwazulu in South Africa or Wounded Knee Indian Reservation in the USA.
But we already know the Iranian government had a significant part to play in this.
wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 19:32 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
If it was Hamas, and they are the leaders in the Palestinian government, are they terrorists or are they an army? There’s a distinction there.
Big distinction. Sovereign states maintain armies. Hamas is not an army but rather a para military terrorist organisation that has control over the mainly Muslim and a few Christian inhabitants of the small ethnic enclave of Israel called Gaza. Gaza is no more a sovereign state than Kwazulu in South Africa or Wounded Knee Indian Reservation in the USA.
But we already know the Iranian government had a significant part to play in this.
[Ax mode] I don't think we've seen any definitive proof of that, have we? Just because a Hamas spokesman said Iran helped, is not a fact or quantifiable statistic. [Ax mode/]
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@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
If it was Hamas, and they are the leaders in the Palestinian government, are they terrorists or are they an army? There’s a distinction there.
Big distinction. Sovereign states maintain armies. Hamas is not an army but rather a para military terrorist organisation that has control over the mainly Muslim and a few Christian inhabitants of the small ethnic enclave of Israel called Gaza. Gaza is no more a sovereign state than Kwazulu in South Africa or Wounded Knee Indian Reservation in the USA.
But we already know the Iranian government had a significant part to play in this.
wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 19:46 last edited by Renauda 10 Dec 2023, 01:47@Aqua-Letifer said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
If it was Hamas, and they are the leaders in the Palestinian government, are they terrorists or are they an army? There’s a distinction there.
Big distinction. Sovereign states maintain armies. Hamas is not an army but rather a para military terrorist organisation that has control over the mainly Muslim and a few Christian inhabitants of the small ethnic enclave of Israel called Gaza. Gaza is no more a sovereign state than Kwazulu in South Africa or Wounded Knee Indian Reservation in the USA.
But we already know the Iranian government had a significant part to play in this.
This is where it gets murky. Any uniformed Iranian military personnel found alive in the war zone as a belligerent would be considered but not necessarily afforded or treated as a prisoner of war. Any non uniformed Iranian national found with or assisting Hamas para military terrorists would be considered a terrorist and dealt with as practicable to the situation. If the Israelis are in a bad mood that day they may treat the Iranian as a mercenary terrorist and end it right there on the spot. In the words of the late Russell Buffalino, “it’s what it is”.
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wrote on 11 Oct 2023, 20:40 last edited by George K 10 Nov 2023, 20:43