Hamas attacks Israel
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Times mea culpa over hospital story.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/23/pageoneplus/editors-note-gaza-hospital-coverage.html
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@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
He was out of power 18 months out of the last 15 years. How could the lack of preparedness buck not stop with him?
I was unaware that his tenure was so long, only that he had been replaced by Bennett a couple of years ago.
He also raised the price of hostages a hundred fold.
Yes. How do the Israelis feel about that?
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Just a SWAG, but aren't the Israelis going to do with Hamas what they did with Hezbollah years ago? Namely, engage in a very intense urban combat war, rooting out as many terrorists as possible and damaging the organization so much, it will take years to rebuild?
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the idea that hamas should be "tolerated" in order to weaken the the palestinian authority was completely bibi's game plan. it was bibis govenements who authorized the transfer of billions in qatari cash to hamas, thinking it will buy off hamas and circumvent any need to deal with the PA. thats all bibis plan. for the past fifteen years. the bennet/lapid government stopped the cash payments, (they actually were delivered in suitcases at gaza/israel crossing points). there is no way bibi can recover from this. he made his whole career on claiming he knows best whats good for the country and everyone else is stupid.
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I am curious the shape of the government that will replace him. I don’t imagine it will be the same shape as the opposition intended before the attack. The leader of the rightward side is going away, but I don’t know that that means the political culture shifted away from the spirit of Bibi. I’m not hearing that the intelligence failure was a failure of political philosophy.
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It's interesting hearing all the wailing of even non-religious Jews after this terrorist attack and subsequent abandonment by the Left.
I wonder what impact that will have politically, both inside and outside of Israel?
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The "hug a death cult" crowd has self-identified, and is in the crosshairs of some social retribution against their political opinions, for the first time in their lives. That will realign chunks of the younger mediocre masses who are really just interested in being socially acceptable, and have never thought or cared about politics or culture to begin with. Social retribution is anathema to them, and they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
The older leftist mediocrities are more set in their ways, and have less to lose, and will happily die on whatever cross they think they're dying on.
Education is extremely important.
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@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
We all know this is exactly how lefties form opinions.
But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?
I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.
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@Copper said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@Horace said in Hamas attacks Israel:
they will toe whatever line they are told to toe.
We all know this is exactly how lefties for opinions.
But has anyone ever heard a lefty say this out loud?
I think this might be like the eligible voter who wasn't allowed to vote. Nobody has ever seen or heard one.
Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty, so it stands to reason they're mostly unaware of their own programming.
Education is extremely important.
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Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty….
Not to derail the thread but…..
How does that factor in for the likes of Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz or even that Donald Trump character?
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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@Renauda said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Low self awareness correlates with being a lefty….
Not to derail the thread but…..
How does that factor in for the likes of Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz and even that Donald Trump character?
People who get to the top might be more self aware than they let on. Trump is a conscious opportunist. Tucker has those texts where he admits to despising Trump. I don't know much about the others. But people who float to the top in politics are not great examples of the tendencies of the masses under them. They will all have enough awareness to navigate to their goal, even if part of that navigation is to convince everybody that what they say and do is what they really believe.
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“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Good thing the right isn’t subject to programming, otherwise some con men could talk them into supporting Russia and forgetting their decade-long, full-throated support of the Iraq war.
You go with the information you have at the time. Back then, the Iraq War made sense. The only regret I have about that war is screwing over the Kurds, but I understand the realpolitick of why.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Mik said in Hamas attacks Israel:
There wasn’t a single original thought in that whole piece. I don’t understand why he felt it necessary or desirable to release it. He’s not wrong, just late to the dance.
He couldn't do it when he was President and he's still incapable of pinning the tail on the Muslim donkey.
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@Jolly said in Hamas attacks Israel:
@jon-nyc said in Hamas attacks Israel:
Good thing the right isn’t subject to programming, otherwise some con men could talk them into supporting Russia and forgetting their decade-long, full-throated support of the Iraq war.
You go with the information you have at the time. Back then, the Iraq War made sense. The only regret I have about that war is screwing over the Kurds, but I understand the realpolitick of why.
The change in information was obvious in 2006. It was only a decade later that you changed your tune, and only after Trump gave you permission to do so without betraying your tribe.
I’m giving you a bit of credit with that last sentence. I assume part of you knew it was a strategic failure years before, but it took Trump giving you cover before you could say it out loud.
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Trump. The man strides through your brain with seven-league boots.
