Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?
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wrote on 22 Oct 2023, 17:28 last edited by
@George-K said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
In a marriage, sarcasm and contempt is a sign that it's over but for the paperwork.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 00:33 last edited by
Funny, Horace, many many years ago I read a piece in the New Yorker I think by a very senior marriage counselor. He said that, in his experience, the biggest predictor of divorce is when one spouse rolls their eyes at the other. A sign of contempt or lack of respect if their ever was one.
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Funny, Horace, many many years ago I read a piece in the New Yorker I think by a very senior marriage counselor. He said that, in his experience, the biggest predictor of divorce is when one spouse rolls their eyes at the other. A sign of contempt or lack of respect if their ever was one.
wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 00:42 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
Funny, Horace, many many years ago I read a piece in the New Yorker I think by a very senior marriage counselor. He said that, in his experience, the biggest predictor of divorce is when one spouse rolls their eyes at the other. A sign of contempt or lack of respect if there ever was one.
Gladwell makes a similar point in "Blink." He talks about a psychologist who looks at marriages:
Contempt
The second horseman is contempt. When we communicate in this state, we are truly mean—we treat others with disrespect, mock them with sarcasm, ridicule, call them names, and mimic or use body language such as eye-rolling or scoffing. The target of contempt is made to feel despised and worthless.
Contempt goes far beyond criticism. While criticism attacks your partner’s character, contempt assumes a position of moral superiority over them:
“You’re ‘tired?’ Cry me a river. I’ve been with the kids all day, running around like mad to keep this house going and all you do when you come home from work is flop down on that sofa like a child and play those idiotic video games. I don’t have time to deal with another kid. Could you be any more pathetic?”
Research even shows that couples that are contemptuous of each other are more likely to suffer from infectious illness (colds, the flu, etc.) than others due to weakened immune systems! Contempt is fueled by long-simmering negative thoughts about the partner—which come to a head when the perpetrator attacks the accused from a position of relative superiority.
Most importantly, contempt is the single greatest predictor of divorce. It must be eliminated.
Sorry to veer off-topic, Jon's comment brought this to mind.
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wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 01:01 last edited by Axtremus
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@jon-nyc said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
Funny, Horace, many many years ago I read a piece in the New Yorker I think by a very senior marriage counselor. He said that, in his experience, the biggest predictor of divorce is when one spouse rolls their eyes at the other. A sign of contempt or lack of respect if there ever was one.
Gladwell makes a similar point in "Blink." He talks about a psychologist who looks at marriages:
Contempt
The second horseman is contempt. When we communicate in this state, we are truly mean—we treat others with disrespect, mock them with sarcasm, ridicule, call them names, and mimic or use body language such as eye-rolling or scoffing. The target of contempt is made to feel despised and worthless.
Contempt goes far beyond criticism. While criticism attacks your partner’s character, contempt assumes a position of moral superiority over them:
“You’re ‘tired?’ Cry me a river. I’ve been with the kids all day, running around like mad to keep this house going and all you do when you come home from work is flop down on that sofa like a child and play those idiotic video games. I don’t have time to deal with another kid. Could you be any more pathetic?”
Research even shows that couples that are contemptuous of each other are more likely to suffer from infectious illness (colds, the flu, etc.) than others due to weakened immune systems! Contempt is fueled by long-simmering negative thoughts about the partner—which come to a head when the perpetrator attacks the accused from a position of relative superiority.
Most importantly, contempt is the single greatest predictor of divorce. It must be eliminated.
Sorry to veer off-topic, Jon's comment brought this to mind.
wrote on 23 Oct 2023, 01:09 last edited by@George-K said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
@jon-nyc said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
Funny, Horace, many many years ago I read a piece in the New Yorker I think by a very senior marriage counselor. He said that, in his experience, the biggest predictor of divorce is when one spouse rolls their eyes at the other. A sign of contempt or lack of respect if there ever was one.
Gladwell makes a similar point in "Blink." He talks about a psychologist who looks at marriages:
Contempt
The second horseman is contempt. When we communicate in this state, we are truly mean—we treat others with disrespect, mock them with sarcasm, ridicule, call them names, and mimic or use body language such as eye-rolling or scoffing. The target of contempt is made to feel despised and worthless.
Contempt goes far beyond criticism. While criticism attacks your partner’s character, contempt assumes a position of moral superiority over them:
“You’re ‘tired?’ Cry me a river. I’ve been with the kids all day, running around like mad to keep this house going and all you do when you come home from work is flop down on that sofa like a child and play those idiotic video games. I don’t have time to deal with another kid. Could you be any more pathetic?”
Research even shows that couples that are contemptuous of each other are more likely to suffer from infectious illness (colds, the flu, etc.) than others due to weakened immune systems! Contempt is fueled by long-simmering negative thoughts about the partner—which come to a head when the perpetrator attacks the accused from a position of relative superiority.
Most importantly, contempt is the single greatest predictor of divorce. It must be eliminated.
Sorry to veer off-topic, Jon's comment brought this to mind.
I heard it in some podcast interview with a marriage counselor.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 17:32 last edited by
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/24/house-speaker-vote/
The House GOP entered a process where they would vote by secret ballots, the candidate with the fewest vote in a round of voting is eliminated. Presumably the process would continue until there is a "last survivor." Even then there is no guarantee that the last survivor will make Speaker.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 17:51 last edited by
On the Democratic side:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/24/democrats-response-house-speaker-jeffries/
Rep. Ann Kuster (N.H.), chair of the New Democrat Coalition, said her group would back a bipartisan option, including a temporary speaker such as McHenry, with assurances that legislation backed by a majority of House members would get a vote. “
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... She said the bedrock request of New Democrats, who represent a large bloc of moderates, is that “bills with bipartisan support that would pass the House come to the floor.”
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Such legislation could include aid to Ukraine and government funding once current spending runs out in mid-November. ... -
On the Democratic side:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/24/democrats-response-house-speaker-jeffries/
Rep. Ann Kuster (N.H.), chair of the New Democrat Coalition, said her group would back a bipartisan option, including a temporary speaker such as McHenry, with assurances that legislation backed by a majority of House members would get a vote. “
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... She said the bedrock request of New Democrats, who represent a large bloc of moderates, is that “bills with bipartisan support that would pass the House come to the floor.”
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Such legislation could include aid to Ukraine and government funding once current spending runs out in mid-November. ...wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 18:20 last edited by@Axtremus said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/24/democrats-response-house-speaker-jeffries/
Rep. Ann Kuster (N.H.), chair of the New Democrat Coalition, said her group would back a bipartisan option, including a temporary speaker such as McHenry, with assurances that legislation backed by a majority of House members would get a vote. “
Presumably this means that the Speaker will no longer have the power to keep bills from hitting the floor.
I've always thought that to be a kind of silly rule, giving one person that power.
But, as usual, the devil's in the details.
Who will count the "majority" of House members?
Is this a permanent rule change, or only a temp solution to what's hopefully a temporary problem.
Like many proposed changes (see Harry Reid), it can come around to bite someone in the ass.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 18:29 last edited by
By definition any rule they pass is temporary.
I assume they way they’d decide is through voting - vote to take a bill to the floor and then vote the bill.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 18:30 last edited by
Imagine how much better off we’d be if that were a permanent rule in both chambers.
Basically that’s what the founders envisioned.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 18:34 last edited by
Tom Emmer is the latest contestant in the game ‘who can unite 98.2% of the GOP caucus’.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 18:41 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
Tom Emmer is the latest contestant in the game ‘who can unite 98.2% of the GOP caucus’.
...and most likely 100% of the Democrats
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 18:45 last edited by
The Speaker controls what bills hit the floor when.
That is one of the primary powers of the office. I wouldn't give it up.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 18:47 last edited by
Seems like an opening bid. The dems would probably accept a deal whereby he agrees to take a handful of key measures to the floor.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 19:08 last edited by jon-nyc
What’s your over/under on Emmer? I say he doesn’t last until Monday.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 20:03 last edited by Axtremus
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4272284-tom-emmer-wins-speaker-nomination-gop-third-try/
Emmers became the 3rd House GOP nominee for Speaker.
[Emmers] got 117 votes on the final ballot, while House Republican Conference Vice Chair Mike Johnson (R-La.) got 97. And in a roll call vote that followed, lawmakers said about 20 holdouts remained.
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Seems like an opening bid. The dems would probably accept a deal whereby he agrees to take a handful of key measures to the floor.
wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 20:25 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
Seems like an opening bid. The dems would probably accept a deal whereby he agrees to take a handful of key measures to the floor.
Yes, exactly
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 21:20 last edited by
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 21:48 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
What’s your over/under on Emmer? I say he doesn’t last until Monday.
He didn't last out the day, I believe...
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wrote on 24 Oct 2023, 21:51 last edited by
Well, somebody can play REAL hardball. Wanna be Speaker? Go talk to the Dems. If Jeffries can deliver (and I think he can, they have much better cohesion) the bulk of his guys, how many Republicans would it take?