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  • A Axtremus
    5 Apr 2024, 15:42

    Another strong, very strong, job report for March 2024:

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/05/economy/us-jobs-report-march-final/index.html

    Employers added 303,000 jobs in March, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported. The unemployment rate fell to 3.8% from 3.9% the month before.
    ...
    Annual wage gains slowed to 4.1% from 4.3%, a trajectory likely welcomed by the Federal Reserve in its efforts to tame inflation but yet a still-strong rate to help Americans recapture earnings that were decimated by the pandemic and high inflation.
    ...
    Last month’s job growth was driven by industries such as health care (+72,300 jobs); government (+71,000 jobs); leisure and hospitality (+49,000 jobs); and construction (+39,000 jobs).
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    The current US job market is also one of the strongest, historically: The economy has added jobs for 39 consecutive months, marking the fifth-longest period of job expansion on record, BLS data shows. The unemployment rate has been below 4% for 26 months in a row, the longest streak since the late 1960s.

    Chart from the Washington Post:
    Screenshot 2024-04-05 at 11.39.25 AM.png
    Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/04/05/jobs-march-unemployment-rate/

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    Jolly
    wrote on 6 Apr 2024, 13:01 last edited by
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    @Axtremus said in Bidenomics At Work:

    Another strong, very strong, job report for March 2024:

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/05/economy/us-jobs-report-march-final/index.html

    Employers added 303,000 jobs in March, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported. The unemployment rate fell to 3.8% from 3.9% the month before.
    ...
    Annual wage gains slowed to 4.1% from 4.3%, a trajectory likely welcomed by the Federal Reserve in its efforts to tame inflation but yet a still-strong rate to help Americans recapture earnings that were decimated by the pandemic and high inflation.
    ...
    Last month’s job growth was driven by industries such as health care (+72,300 jobs); government (+71,000 jobs); leisure and hospitality (+49,000 jobs); and construction (+39,000 jobs).
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    The current US job market is also one of the strongest, historically: The economy has added jobs for 39 consecutive months, marking the fifth-longest period of job expansion on record, BLS data shows. The unemployment rate has been below 4% for 26 months in a row, the longest streak since the late 1960s.

    Chart from the Washington Post:
    Screenshot 2024-04-05 at 11.39.25 AM.png
    Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/04/05/jobs-march-unemployment-rate/

    Kinda looks a lot worse once the numbers get explained, doesn't it? And again, these are not the final numbers...

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      taiwan_girl
      wrote on 6 Apr 2024, 17:09 last edited by
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      But I thought that there was a wanting to decrease the jobs for a little bit to help "cool" inflation?

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        6 Apr 2024, 17:09

        But I thought that there was a wanting to decrease the jobs for a little bit to help "cool" inflation?

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        wrote on 6 Apr 2024, 17:12 last edited by
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        @taiwan_girl said in Bidenomics At Work:

        But I thought that there was a wanting to decrease the jobs for a little bit to help "cool" inflation?

        I think the inflation monster is going to be hard to tame, with all the dollars dumped into the money supply.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Axtremus
          wrote on 14 Apr 2024, 22:23 last edited by
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          https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/14/economy/working-past-retirement-age/index.html

          Americans over 75 are the fastest-growing age group in the workforce, more than quadrupling in size since 1964, according to the Pew Research Center. Forecasters expect that cohort of older, working Americans to double over the next decade.

          Pew Research: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/12/14/the-growth-of-the-older-workforce/

          Numbering roughly 11 million today, the older workforce has nearly quadrupled in size since the mid-1980s. The increase is driven in part by the growth of the 65-and-older population. The bulk of the Baby Boom generation has now reached that threshold.
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          The share of older adults holding a job today is much greater than in the mid-1980s. Some 19% of adults ages 65 and older are employed today. In 1987, only 11% of older adults were working. Today’s share is similar to that of the early 1960s, when 18% of older Americans worked.

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            Axtremus
            wrote on 4 May 2024, 11:29 last edited by
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            https://finance.yahoo.com/news/april-jobs-report-shows-hiring-wage-growth-slow-as-unemployment-unexpectedly-jumps-123130544.html

            The US labor market cooled notably last month as both hiring and wage growth slowed more than economists had expected in April.
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            The US economy added 175,000 new jobs and the unemployment rate rose to 3.9% last month, new data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics showed Friday. Wall Street economists had expected nonfarm payrolls to rise by 240,000 and the unemployment rate to remain at 3.8%, according to Bloomberg data.
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            Wages also rose less than forecast, with average hourly earnings rising 0.2% over last month and 3.9% over the last year. Economists had expected to see a monthly jump of 0.3% in April and a 4% rise over last year.
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            Friday's report also showed February's job growth was revised down — to a gain of 236,000 nonfarm payroll jobs from the 270,000 previously reported — while March's report was revised up to job gains of 315,000 from the 303,000 initially reported.
            ...

            In reaction to the weaker-than-expected jobs report, the stock market went UP in anticipation of the Federal Reserve Board cutting interest rates. It's as if Wall Street really doesn't like a strong economy.

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            • A Axtremus
              4 May 2024, 11:29

              https://finance.yahoo.com/news/april-jobs-report-shows-hiring-wage-growth-slow-as-unemployment-unexpectedly-jumps-123130544.html

              The US labor market cooled notably last month as both hiring and wage growth slowed more than economists had expected in April.
              .
              The US economy added 175,000 new jobs and the unemployment rate rose to 3.9% last month, new data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics showed Friday. Wall Street economists had expected nonfarm payrolls to rise by 240,000 and the unemployment rate to remain at 3.8%, according to Bloomberg data.
              .
              Wages also rose less than forecast, with average hourly earnings rising 0.2% over last month and 3.9% over the last year. Economists had expected to see a monthly jump of 0.3% in April and a 4% rise over last year.
              .
              Friday's report also showed February's job growth was revised down — to a gain of 236,000 nonfarm payroll jobs from the 270,000 previously reported — while March's report was revised up to job gains of 315,000 from the 303,000 initially reported.
              ...

              In reaction to the weaker-than-expected jobs report, the stock market went UP in anticipation of the Federal Reserve Board cutting interest rates. It's as if Wall Street really doesn't like a strong economy.

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              Copper
              wrote on 4 May 2024, 12:30 last edited by
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              @Axtremus said in Bidenomics At Work:

              It's as if Wall Street really doesn't like a strong economy.

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              • A Axtremus
                4 May 2024, 11:29

                https://finance.yahoo.com/news/april-jobs-report-shows-hiring-wage-growth-slow-as-unemployment-unexpectedly-jumps-123130544.html

                The US labor market cooled notably last month as both hiring and wage growth slowed more than economists had expected in April.
                .
                The US economy added 175,000 new jobs and the unemployment rate rose to 3.9% last month, new data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics showed Friday. Wall Street economists had expected nonfarm payrolls to rise by 240,000 and the unemployment rate to remain at 3.8%, according to Bloomberg data.
                .
                Wages also rose less than forecast, with average hourly earnings rising 0.2% over last month and 3.9% over the last year. Economists had expected to see a monthly jump of 0.3% in April and a 4% rise over last year.
                .
                Friday's report also showed February's job growth was revised down — to a gain of 236,000 nonfarm payroll jobs from the 270,000 previously reported — while March's report was revised up to job gains of 315,000 from the 303,000 initially reported.
                ...

                In reaction to the weaker-than-expected jobs report, the stock market went UP in anticipation of the Federal Reserve Board cutting interest rates. It's as if Wall Street really doesn't like a strong economy.

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 5 May 2024, 01:43 last edited by
                #214

                @Axtremus said in Bidenomics At Work:

                https://finance.yahoo.com/news/april-jobs-report-shows-hiring-wage-growth-slow-as-unemployment-unexpectedly-jumps-123130544.html

                The US labor market cooled notably last month as both hiring and wage growth slowed more than economists had expected in April.
                .
                The US economy added 175,000 new jobs and the unemployment rate rose to 3.9% last month, new data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics showed Friday. Wall Street economists had expected nonfarm payrolls to rise by 240,000 and the unemployment rate to remain at 3.8%, according to Bloomberg data.
                .
                Wages also rose less than forecast, with average hourly earnings rising 0.2% over last month and 3.9% over the last year. Economists had expected to see a monthly jump of 0.3% in April and a 4% rise over last year.
                .
                Friday's report also showed February's job growth was revised down — to a gain of 236,000 nonfarm payroll jobs from the 270,000 previously reported — while March's report was revised up to job gains of 315,000 from the 303,000 initially reported.
                ...

                In reaction to the weaker-than-expected jobs report, the stock market went UP in anticipation of the Federal Reserve Board cutting interest rates. It's as if Wall Street really doesn't like a strong economy.

                My understanding on economy (which I admit is minimum), is that the poor jobs reports indirectly says that inflation will be slowing (less salary pressure increase, etc.). Which, in the long term, is what is wanted. @jon-nyc is probably better to respond.

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                  Axtremus
                  wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 13:32 last edited by
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                  https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

                  Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 272,000 in May, and the unemployment rate changed
                  little at 4.0 percent ...

                  In May, average hourly earnings for all employees on private nonfarm payrolls increased by 14 cents, or 0.4 percent, to $34.91. Over the past 12 months, average hourly earnings have increased by 4.1 percent. In May, average hourly earnings of private-sector production and nonsupervisory employees
                  increased by 14 cents, or 0.5 percent, to $29.99. ...

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                    LuFins Dad
                    wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 14:21 last edited by
                    #216

                    LOL, @George-K , can you find that post about the adjustments that just happened?

                    The Brad

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad
                      7 Jun 2024, 14:21

                      LOL, @George-K , can you find that post about the adjustments that just happened?

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                      George K
                      wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 14:28 last edited by
                      #217

                      @LuFins-Dad zerohedge usually comes out with that info in a timely basis. But not yet today.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K
                        7 Jun 2024, 14:28

                        @LuFins-Dad zerohedge usually comes out with that info in a timely basis. But not yet today.

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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 15:22 last edited by
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                        @George-K said in Bidenomics At Work:

                        @LuFins-Dad zerohedge usually comes out with that info in a timely basis. But not yet today.

                        I thought I saw something that showed they just had a MASSIVE revision for December and March.

                        The Brad

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                          George K
                          wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 21:10 last edited by
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                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            LuFins Dad
                            wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 21:14 last edited by
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                            He gets community noted every time he posts that

                            The Brad

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                              Copper
                              wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 21:24 last edited by
                              #221

                              962 replies, most are mocking him

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 22:37 last edited by
                                #222

                                If you tell a lie loud enough and long enough...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 8 Jun 2024, 12:49 last edited by George K 6 Aug 2024, 12:52
                                  #223

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 8 Jun 2024, 12:57 last edited by
                                    #224

                                    Look at the IT jobs...

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 8 Jun 2024, 13:02 last edited by
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                                      Black and Hispanic unemployment is at a record low

                                      There have never been more Black and Hispanic Americans in the workforce, Friday’s Labor Department job report showed.

                                      The jobless rate for Hispanics hit a record low of 3.9% in September, while African Americans maintained its lowest rate ever, 5.5%.

                                      Oh, wait. That was from 2019. My bad...

                                      Jobless rates rise in May for all racial groups except white Americans

                                      White unemployment remained at 3.5% last month, making the demographic group the only one that didn’t experience a rise in jobless rates from April to May. It also went against the overall unemployment rate, which edged higher to 4% from 3.9%.

                                      Meanwhile, the jobless rate for Black Americans rose to 6.1% from 5.6%. For Asian and Hispanic workers, respectively, it rose to 3.1% from 2.8%, and to 5% from 4.8%.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Axtremus
                                        wrote on 8 Jun 2024, 13:35 last edited by
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                                        About doing "multiple gig jobs" vs. "one full time job," while "one full time job" is easier and more more predictable day-to-day, the "multiple gig jobs" model is arguably lower risk long term because you won't be completely out of work and out of income because an employer goes bust or terminate you all of a sudden.

                                        Yeah, the Industrial Revolution somehow led to an abundance of jobs that are steady year round, it lifted the standard of living for the masses. It's good to have "one steady full time job", it's good to not have to worry about what to do with your next eight hours (because your employer planned it out for you). But why would one expect that model to last forever?

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                                          wrote on 8 Jun 2024, 13:41 last edited by
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                                          Gig jobs do not normally come with benefits.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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