Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic
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All of this talk about skipped safety precautions and such, but yet Nargeolot was perhaps the most experienced submariner in the world, particularly deep oceanic trench subs. He has made that trek numerous times on different vessels. You would think that if something looked obviously unsafe as many have stated that he would have said no to the trip…
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wrote on 23 Jun 2023, 20:34 last edited by
The CEO’s wife:
Rush married Wendy Weil in 1986.[22] The couple had two children.[23] Wendy Weil Rush is a great-great-granddaughter of Isidor and Ida Blun Straus, both of whom died in the sinking of the Titanic.[22] She is the director of communications at OceanGate.[22]
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All of this talk about skipped safety precautions and such, but yet Nargeolot was perhaps the most experienced submariner in the world, particularly deep oceanic trench subs. He has made that trek numerous times on different vessels. You would think that if something looked obviously unsafe as many have stated that he would have said no to the trip…
wrote on 23 Jun 2023, 23:45 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
All of this talk about skipped safety precautions and such, but yet Nargeolot was perhaps the most experienced submariner in the world, particularly deep oceanic trench subs. He has made that trek numerous times on different vessels. You would think that if something looked obviously unsafe as many have stated that he would have said no to the trip…
Maybe there's a difference between people who use submarines and people who design and build submarines, and also between them and the people who test the safety of submarines. I know that's definitely the case in my work. It's why we have 3rd party certification.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
All of this talk about skipped safety precautions and such, but yet Nargeolot was perhaps the most experienced submariner in the world, particularly deep oceanic trench subs. He has made that trek numerous times on different vessels. You would think that if something looked obviously unsafe as many have stated that he would have said no to the trip…
Maybe there's a difference between people who use submarines and people who design and build submarines, and also between them and the people who test the safety of submarines. I know that's definitely the case in my work. It's why we have 3rd party certification.
wrote on 24 Jun 2023, 00:33 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
@LuFins-Dad said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
All of this talk about skipped safety precautions and such, but yet Nargeolot was perhaps the most experienced submariner in the world, particularly deep oceanic trench subs. He has made that trek numerous times on different vessels. You would think that if something looked obviously unsafe as many have stated that he would have said no to the trip…
Maybe there's a difference between people who use submarines and people who design and build submarines, and also between them and the people who test the safety of submarines. I know that's definitely the case in my work. It's why we have 3rd party certification.
No doubt, but many of these stories about safety problems are coming from even more uninformed sources. David Pogue is a great and brilliant technology writer for the Times, and his articles about the wonders of the Disklavier and Yamaha Avant Grand pianos are spot on, but I think Nargeolet would be a better source. There’s the documentary maker that also talked about how shady the safety looked… I think the French Submariner would have a better take than a videographer…
It sounds like the issue wasn’t the ballast tanks or Nintendo controllers… Those wouldn’t have caused an implosion. It sounds like repeated stress on the titanium/carbon fiber mix… which should have been inspected and tested more often, but the design should also be recognized to have worked for hundreds of dives…
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wrote on 24 Jun 2023, 01:02 last edited by
The Alvin, which was built in 1964, has made a few thousand dives and is capable of diving much deeper than Titan. I listened to an interview with a physicist who works with carbon fiber who said it doesn't do as well with compression as one might desire for a submersible - especially with repeated use.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
@LuFins-Dad said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
All of this talk about skipped safety precautions and such, but yet Nargeolot was perhaps the most experienced submariner in the world, particularly deep oceanic trench subs. He has made that trek numerous times on different vessels. You would think that if something looked obviously unsafe as many have stated that he would have said no to the trip…
Maybe there's a difference between people who use submarines and people who design and build submarines, and also between them and the people who test the safety of submarines. I know that's definitely the case in my work. It's why we have 3rd party certification.
No doubt, but many of these stories about safety problems are coming from even more uninformed sources. David Pogue is a great and brilliant technology writer for the Times, and his articles about the wonders of the Disklavier and Yamaha Avant Grand pianos are spot on, but I think Nargeolet would be a better source. There’s the documentary maker that also talked about how shady the safety looked… I think the French Submariner would have a better take than a videographer…
It sounds like the issue wasn’t the ballast tanks or Nintendo controllers… Those wouldn’t have caused an implosion. It sounds like repeated stress on the titanium/carbon fiber mix… which should have been inspected and tested more often, but the design should also be recognized to have worked for hundreds of dives…
wrote on 24 Jun 2023, 01:15 last edited by Doctor Phibes@LuFins-Dad said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
@LuFins-Dad said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
All of this talk about skipped safety precautions and such, but yet Nargeolot was perhaps the most experienced submariner in the world, particularly deep oceanic trench subs. He has made that trek numerous times on different vessels. You would think that if something looked obviously unsafe as many have stated that he would have said no to the trip…
Maybe there's a difference between people who use submarines and people who design and build submarines, and also between them and the people who test the safety of submarines. I know that's definitely the case in my work. It's why we have 3rd party certification.
No doubt, but many of these stories about safety problems are coming from even more uninformed sources. David Pogue is a great and brilliant technology writer for the Times, and his articles about the wonders of the Disklavier and Yamaha Avant Grand pianos are spot on, but I think Nargeolet would be a better source. There’s the documentary maker that also talked about how shady the safety looked… I think the French Submariner would have a better take than a videographer…
It sounds like the issue wasn’t the ballast tanks or Nintendo controllers… Those wouldn’t have caused an implosion. It sounds like repeated stress on the titanium/carbon fiber mix… which should have been inspected and tested more often, but the design should also be recognized to have worked for hundreds of dives…
Assessing the design as unsafe is one thing. I have no expertise at all in that area, so I really can't comment.
Not having it follow standard safety protocols is another thing. I do know about that, and this guy didn't follow the protocols. He basically invented his own way to assess the safety and ignored what he considered boring, outdated, restrictive practices.
William Kohnen, the chairman of the Manned Underwater Vehicles Committee, said that the rules regarding submersibles have been written in blood. And Oceangate ignored them.
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wrote on 27 Jun 2023, 15:44 last edited by George K
"The ocean instapot event."
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@George-K said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
Wow...
Sure would be nice to have some verification that the emails were real. Based on the asshat that posted them? I have some doubts.
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wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 00:54 last edited by George K
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@LuFins-Dad said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
Ok. The Twitter guy is still an asshole.
Could well be.
Don't know anything about him.
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wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 01:18 last edited by Doctor Phibes
@LuFins-Dad said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
@George-K said in Submersible tour boat joins the Titanic:
Ok. The Twitter guy is still an asshole.
So was the submarine guy, and the Twitter guy didn't kill anybody.
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wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 01:33 last edited by
Father and son who almost went. Son said there were red flags and talked them out of it. The spots went to the Indian father/son.
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wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 02:10 last edited by
So it sounds like there was something equivalent to a trade union regarding this stuff, but nothing with any true regulatory authority?
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wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 02:12 last edited by LuFins Dad
Were they insured? I would think that insurance would require some type of assurance of the safety of the equipment.
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wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 02:18 last edited by
My understanding is they only operated it in international waters so that there would be no regulatory authority.
I doubt they were insured, probably waivers with air-tight indemnification or at least the attempt.
Can’t imagine the company is worth much today, hard to imagine a billionaire’s family spending the time and emotional energy to sue them. But who knows.
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wrote on 28 Jun 2023, 02:18 last edited by
Another story - there's a British TV presenter who was going to make a show on the submersible last year, but they cancelled due to safety concerns after examining the set-up.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/24/ross-kemp-turned-down-titanic-trip-unsafe-oceangate-sub/
What happened is really disgusting.