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Chik-Fil-A is different. Their marketing, sales etc really promote nothing other than...chicken. They support Christian causes, but you'd never know it by going into one of their restaurants.
There's a distinction to be made between "supporting" and "promoting."
wrote on 27 May 2023, 13:43 last edited by@George-K said in Public Sq.:
Chik-Fil-A is different. Their marketing, sales etc really promote nothing other than...chicken. They support Christian causes, but you'd never know it by going into one of their restaurants.
There's a distinction to be made between "supporting" and "promoting."
When it comes to discussing whether red and blue companies exist, what's the difference? Customers have more say about this than businesses do. The red/blue isn't their doing, it's ours.
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wrote on 27 May 2023, 14:45 last edited by
All points of view are not equal.
Good and bad exist and they are different.
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Chik-Fil-A is different. Their marketing, sales etc really promote nothing other than...chicken. They support Christian causes, but you'd never know it by going into one of their restaurants.
There's a distinction to be made between "supporting" and "promoting."
wrote on 27 May 2023, 15:07 last edited by@George-K said in Public Sq.:
Chik-Fil-A is different. Their marketing, sales etc really promote nothing other than...chicken. They support Christian causes, but you'd never know it by going into one of their restaurants.
There's a distinction to be made between "supporting" and "promoting."
There IS a difference between promoting and supporting… And in general, Chik-Fil-A does more supporting, but the playing Christian Contemporary Music in the stores does cross the line.
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@George-K said in Public Sq.:
Chik-Fil-A is different. Their marketing, sales etc really promote nothing other than...chicken. They support Christian causes, but you'd never know it by going into one of their restaurants.
There's a distinction to be made between "supporting" and "promoting."
There IS a difference between promoting and supporting… And in general, Chik-Fil-A does more supporting, but the playing Christian Contemporary Music in the stores does cross the line.
wrote on 27 May 2023, 15:13 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Public Sq.:
@George-K said in Public Sq.:
Chik-Fil-A is different. Their marketing, sales etc really promote nothing other than...chicken. They support Christian causes, but you'd never know it by going into one of their restaurants.
There's a distinction to be made between "supporting" and "promoting."
There IS a difference between promoting and supporting…
Tell that to the scads of liberals who refuse to go there and judge everyone who does. I appreciate that you see the difference as significant, but that has no influence over what customers consider a red vs blue business.
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@George-K said in Public Sq.:
Chik-Fil-A is different. Their marketing, sales etc really promote nothing other than...chicken. They support Christian causes, but you'd never know it by going into one of their restaurants.
There's a distinction to be made between "supporting" and "promoting."
There IS a difference between promoting and supporting… And in general, Chik-Fil-A does more supporting, but the playing Christian Contemporary Music in the stores does cross the line.
wrote on 27 May 2023, 15:19 last edited by George K@LuFins-Dad said in Public Sq.:
playing Christian Contemporary Music in the stores does cross the line.
I was not aware of that. You're right.
Googling around, I see that supposedly, Hobby Lobby does the same thing.
Having only done DoorDash for CFA, I was ignorant of that.
EDIT: Apparently not all Chik-Fil-A's do that, and there are no lyrics. I found a playlist, and it sounds like bland elevator music to me.
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@George-K said in Public Sq.:
Chik-Fil-A is different. Their marketing, sales etc really promote nothing other than...chicken. They support Christian causes, but you'd never know it by going into one of their restaurants.
There's a distinction to be made between "supporting" and "promoting."
There IS a difference between promoting and supporting… And in general, Chik-Fil-A does more supporting, but the playing Christian Contemporary Music in the stores does cross the line.
wrote on 27 May 2023, 15:25 last edited by@LuFins-Dad I wasn’t aware of that and for good reason. The one I eat at (every time I go to Duke) is part of a hospital food court, so no music.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Public Sq.:
@George-K said in Public Sq.:
Chik-Fil-A is different. Their marketing, sales etc really promote nothing other than...chicken. They support Christian causes, but you'd never know it by going into one of their restaurants.
There's a distinction to be made between "supporting" and "promoting."
There IS a difference between promoting and supporting…
Tell that to the scads of liberals who refuse to go there and judge everyone who does. I appreciate that you see the difference as significant, but that has no influence over what customers consider a red vs blue business.
wrote on 27 May 2023, 16:10 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Public Sq.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Public Sq.:
@George-K said in Public Sq.:
Chik-Fil-A is different. Their marketing, sales etc really promote nothing other than...chicken. They support Christian causes, but you'd never know it by going into one of their restaurants.
There's a distinction to be made between "supporting" and "promoting."
There IS a difference between promoting and supporting…
Tell that to the scads of liberals who refuse to go there and judge everyone who does. I appreciate that you see the difference as significant, but that has no influence over what customers consider a red vs blue business.
Well...You're right.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Public Sq.:
@George-K said in Public Sq.:
Chik-Fil-A is different. Their marketing, sales etc really promote nothing other than...chicken. They support Christian causes, but you'd never know it by going into one of their restaurants.
There's a distinction to be made between "supporting" and "promoting."
There IS a difference between promoting and supporting…
Tell that to the scads of liberals who refuse to go there and judge everyone who does. I appreciate that you see the difference as significant, but that has no influence over what customers consider a red vs blue business.
wrote on 27 May 2023, 16:24 last edited by LuFins Dad@Aqua-Letifer said in Public Sq.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Public Sq.:
@George-K said in Public Sq.:
Chik-Fil-A is different. Their marketing, sales etc really promote nothing other than...chicken. They support Christian causes, but you'd never know it by going into one of their restaurants.
There's a distinction to be made between "supporting" and "promoting."
There IS a difference between promoting and supporting…
Tell that to the scads of liberals who refuse to go there and judge everyone who does. I appreciate that you see the difference as significant, but that has no influence over what customers consider a red vs blue business.
Agreed, and I don’t think there’s ever going to be a perfect answer in a free market and free speech environment. There’s always going to be some catering to some sides on both sides. What’s happening now is completely different.
This is a challenge that I have to face every single frigging day at work. I manage the largest Yamaha/Bösendorfer piano showroom in Washington, DC and I aLao manage the Institutional Relations department for the company. We have faced criticism for providing pianos for the Trump inaugural events, and we have faced criticism for providing pianos for the Biden administration. We work daily with Churches of all faiths and denominations and treat them all with respect. We also rent pianos on a regular basis to the Washington Gay Men’s Choir. Our pianos have been rented for performances by the Gaithers and at theaters putting on drag shows. I have personally sold pianos to famous political figures that I have absolutely positively disagreed with and some to figures that I have absolutely agreed with and support. Both sides get equivalent service. That’s just the way it is. I don’t get to judge their worthiness as clients and students and it would be stupid of me to do so.
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wrote on 27 May 2023, 16:26 last edited by
So pogroms like Public Square attempt to put me in a very bad place. They are trying to force me into putting my business, my bosses, and my employees into a side. One or the other. Fuck that.
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wrote on 27 May 2023, 16:32 last edited by
Basically, they're doing what people slag the liberals off for doing, and saying it's ok because we love America and freedom and shit, just as long as your freedom isn't something we don't approve of.
And playing contemporary Christian music crosses a number of lines.
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Basically, they're doing what people slag the liberals off for doing, and saying it's ok because we love America and freedom and shit, just as long as your freedom isn't something we don't approve of.
And playing contemporary Christian music crosses a number of lines.
wrote on 27 May 2023, 17:09 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Public Sq.:
Basically, they're doing what people slag the liberals off for doing, and saying it's ok because we love America and freedom and shit, just as long as your freedom isn't something we don't approve of.
And playing contemporary Christian music crosses a number of lines.
Don't like it, don't go there.
With this last round of child recruitment for gender transition and pedophilia, the culture wars have heated up.
I will not support companies who promote that shit.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Public Sq.:
Basically, they're doing what people slag the liberals off for doing, and saying it's ok because we love America and freedom and shit, just as long as your freedom isn't something we don't approve of.
And playing contemporary Christian music crosses a number of lines.
Don't like it, don't go there.
With this last round of child recruitment for gender transition and pedophilia, the culture wars have heated up.
I will not support companies who promote that shit.
wrote on 27 May 2023, 17:11 last edited by@Jolly said in Public Sq.:
With this last round of child recruitment for gender transition and pedophilia, the culture wars have heated up.
That isn't politics, that is criminal.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Public Sq.:
Basically, they're doing what people slag the liberals off for doing, and saying it's ok because we love America and freedom and shit, just as long as your freedom isn't something we don't approve of.
And playing contemporary Christian music crosses a number of lines.
Don't like it, don't go there.
With this last round of child recruitment for gender transition and pedophilia, the culture wars have heated up.
I will not support companies who promote that shit.
wrote on 27 May 2023, 17:22 last edited by@Jolly said in Public Sq.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Public Sq.:
Basically, they're doing what people slag the liberals off for doing, and saying it's ok because we love America and freedom and shit, just as long as your freedom isn't something we don't approve of.
And playing contemporary Christian music crosses a number of lines.
Don't like it, don't go there.
With this last round of child recruitment for gender transition and pedophilia, the culture wars have heated up.
I will not support companies who promote that shit.
I’m not disagreeing with you on that point. I have no problem with saying I’m done with a product or a store because of the ideological and political mission of that company. Target and Anheuser both stepped in it and I have zero sympathy for them and will gladly join in. I don’t really drink any AB branded beers, so that’s not really an issue and only occasionally went to Target. Easy enough to find an alternative.
But I’m not going to go searching for a beer brewed by self expressed FREEDOM LOVING PATRIOTS, HOORAH! either.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Public Sq.:
You don’t get businesses out of politics by shopping at businesses involved with politics.
This. Business should be a DMZ. I don’t want to live in a world with red and blue companies.
wrote on 27 May 2023, 17:24 last edited by@Jon said in Public Sq.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Public Sq.:
You don’t get businesses out of politics by shopping at businesses involved with politics.
This. Business should be a DMZ. I don’t want to live in a world with red and blue companies.
This.
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wrote on 27 May 2023, 17:28 last edited by Horace
It's inevitable in a free market that business will target their marketing to certain demographics. If those demographics happen to be political, so be it. There is no coherent principle against that. "I don't want to live in a world where business target political demographics" is not a principle, it's a preference. And the preference in that case is that we wish politics weren't a viable demographic to target, because people aren't personally identified with their politics to the extent that it would make sense to market to them based on that identity. That is a preference I share, but it's not where we are as a culture. People care about the culture war, and I think people have good reason to care. The 'both sides are equal' crowd has less and less purchase to pretend to have arrived at that conclusion thoughtfully.
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wrote on 27 May 2023, 17:29 last edited by
You know the only real answer? Own enough stock to be able to say “nope”… I know that there are left wing investment groups out there, are there any right wing or independent groups?
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You know the only real answer? Own enough stock to be able to say “nope”… I know that there are left wing investment groups out there, are there any right wing or independent groups?
wrote on 27 May 2023, 17:34 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Public Sq.:
You know the only real answer? Own enough stock to be able to say “nope”… I know that there are left wing investment groups out there, are there any right wing or independent groups?
Schwab and Merrill Lynch both asked me if I wanted to invest with a social conscience.
I insisted on no Yankee fans, other than that, just make money.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Public Sq.:
@LuFins-Dad said in Public Sq.:
@George-K said in Public Sq.:
Chik-Fil-A is different. Their marketing, sales etc really promote nothing other than...chicken. They support Christian causes, but you'd never know it by going into one of their restaurants.
There's a distinction to be made between "supporting" and "promoting."
There IS a difference between promoting and supporting…
Tell that to the scads of liberals who refuse to go there and judge everyone who does. I appreciate that you see the difference as significant, but that has no influence over what customers consider a red vs blue business.
Agreed, and I don’t think there’s ever going to be a perfect answer in a free market and free speech environment. There’s always going to be some catering to some sides on both sides. What’s happening now is completely different.
This is a challenge that I have to face every single frigging day at work. I manage the largest Yamaha/Bösendorfer piano showroom in Washington, DC and I aLao manage the Institutional Relations department for the company. We have faced criticism for providing pianos for the Trump inaugural events, and we have faced criticism for providing pianos for the Biden administration. We work daily with Churches of all faiths and denominations and treat them all with respect. We also rent pianos on a regular basis to the Washington Gay Men’s Choir. Our pianos have been rented for performances by the Gaithers and at theaters putting on drag shows. I have personally sold pianos to famous political figures that I have absolutely positively disagreed with and some to figures that I have absolutely agreed with and support. Both sides get equivalent service. That’s just the way it is. I don’t get to judge their worthiness as clients and students and it would be stupid of me to do so.
wrote on 27 May 2023, 18:11 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Public Sq.:
This is a challenge that I have to face every single frigging day at work.
Same! You know the company photo of the Bud Light marketing team? That's basically every marketing team I've ever had to produce work for in the past 10 years. People like that understand ancient astronauts better than they do non-liberals. It's not that they want to choose a side—they're not even aware other opinions even exist.
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It's inevitable in a free market that business will target their marketing to certain demographics. If those demographics happen to be political, so be it. There is no coherent principle against that. "I don't want to live in a world where business target political demographics" is not a principle, it's a preference. And the preference in that case is that we wish politics weren't a viable demographic to target, because people aren't personally identified with their politics to the extent that it would make sense to market to them based on that identity. That is a preference I share, but it's not where we are as a culture. People care about the culture war, and I think people have good reason to care. The 'both sides are equal' crowd has less and less purchase to pretend to have arrived at that conclusion thoughtfully.
wrote on 27 May 2023, 18:26 last edited by@Horace said in Public Sq.:
It's inevitable in a free market that business will target their marketing to certain demographics. If those demographics happen to be political, so be it. There is no coherent principle against that. "I don't want to live in a world where business target political demographics" is not a principle, it's a preference. And the preference in that case is that we wish politics weren't a viable demographic to target, because people aren't personally identified with their politics to the extent that it would make sense to market to them based on that identity. That is a preference I share, but it's not where we are as a culture. People care about the culture war, and I think people have good reason to care. The 'both sides are equal' crowd has less and less purchase to pretend to have arrived at that conclusion thoughtfully.
It’s not a matter of saying which side is equal. I just want to be able to buy fucking pack of pull-ups for my potty training toddler without worrying about whether this retailer is promoting the sterilization of youth with mental problems or if the brand of pull-ups is pro-gun control.
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@Horace said in Public Sq.:
It's inevitable in a free market that business will target their marketing to certain demographics. If those demographics happen to be political, so be it. There is no coherent principle against that. "I don't want to live in a world where business target political demographics" is not a principle, it's a preference. And the preference in that case is that we wish politics weren't a viable demographic to target, because people aren't personally identified with their politics to the extent that it would make sense to market to them based on that identity. That is a preference I share, but it's not where we are as a culture. People care about the culture war, and I think people have good reason to care. The 'both sides are equal' crowd has less and less purchase to pretend to have arrived at that conclusion thoughtfully.
It’s not a matter of saying which side is equal. I just want to be able to buy fucking pack of pull-ups for my potty training toddler without worrying about whether this retailer is promoting the sterilization of youth with mental problems or if the brand of pull-ups is pro-gun control.
wrote on 27 May 2023, 18:29 last edited by@LuFins-Dad I don't see why you have to worry about it. If a shopper wants to shop by price and quality, they can continue to do so. One's individual purchase isn't going to make a difference politically anyway.