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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #6

    Unlikely. It’s not the gun but the willingness to use it.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • 89th8 Offline
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      #7

      Someone shooting a gun is probably not someone I want to ask to be quiet.

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      • MikM Mik

        Unlikely. It’s not the gun but the willingness to use it.

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        #8

        @Mik said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

        It’s not the gun but the willingness to use it.

        If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter.

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        • George KG George K

          Would the result have been any different if he had been shooting his Glock?

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          #9

          @George-K said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

          Would the result have been any different if he had been shooting his Glock?

          Would the result have been any different if he had been shooting a water pistol?

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          • MikM Mik

            There's more to this story. Like mental health.

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            wrote on last edited by
            #10

            @Mik said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

            There's more to this story. Like mental health.

            It is a possibility that mental health maybe a part of the story.

            It is a certainty that there would not be a story at all if there wasn't a gun.

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            • AxtremusA Axtremus

              @Mik said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

              It’s not the gun but the willingness to use it.

              If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter.

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              Copper
              wrote on last edited by
              #11

              @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

              If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter

              If there is no willingness to use one, the gun would not matter

              blah, blah, blah

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              • CopperC Copper

                @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter

                If there is no willingness to use one, the gun would not matter

                blah, blah, blah

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                Axtremus
                wrote on last edited by
                #12

                @Copper said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter

                If there is no willingness to use one, the gun would not matter

                Not so, there is still such a thing as "unintentional discharge" where "willingness" matters not.

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  @Copper said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                  @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                  If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter

                  If there is no willingness to use one, the gun would not matter

                  Not so, there is still such a thing as "unintentional discharge" where "willingness" matters not.

                  CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #13

                  @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                  Not so, there is still such a thing as "unintentional discharge" where "willingness" matters not.

                  There is still such a thing as "broken gun" where the gun matters not.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #14

                    What if the father had also been armed?

                    Just as a thought exercise...

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      #15

                      But back to reality...

                      I suspect at the bottom of this is a mental health issue. It's going to be a very contentious debate defining at what stage of mental illness one cannot own firearms (right now, you have to be adjudicated mentally ill), but that's going to be the common ground between the gun grabbers and the 2nd Amendment guys.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        #16

                        "Texan Illegal alien who had been deported before killed 5 neighbors..."

                        FIFY

                        https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-releases-new-photos-fugitive-accused-fatally-shooting-5-neighbors-texas

                        Oropesa is in the country illegally and has been deported perviously, an ICE source told Fox News Digital. He has re-entered the U.S. illegally "multiple" times and ICE last encountered him in 2016, the course said.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          "Texan Illegal alien who had been deported before killed 5 neighbors..."

                          FIFY

                          https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-releases-new-photos-fugitive-accused-fatally-shooting-5-neighbors-texas

                          Oropesa is in the country illegally and has been deported perviously, an ICE source told Fox News Digital. He has re-entered the U.S. illegally "multiple" times and ICE last encountered him in 2016, the course said.

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #17

                          @George-K said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                          "Texan Illegal alien who had been deported before killed 5 neighbors..."

                          FIFY

                          https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-releases-new-photos-fugitive-accused-fatally-shooting-5-neighbors-texas

                          Oropesa is in the country illegally and has been deported perviously, an ICE source told Fox News Digital. He has re-entered the U.S. illegally "multiple" times and ICE last encountered him in 2016, the course said.

                          Watch this story die the death of a woodpecker in the MSM....

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • AxtremusA Axtremus

                            @Copper said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                            @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                            If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter

                            If there is no willingness to use one, the gun would not matter

                            Not so, there is still such a thing as "unintentional discharge" where "willingness" matters not.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #18

                            @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                            @Copper said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                            @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                            If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter

                            If there is no willingness to use one, the gun would not matter

                            Not so, there is still such a thing as "unintentional discharge" where "willingness" matters not.

                            Well, well, well...Tell us again how well that open border thing is working out for you.

                            While you're at it, might want to explain it to the victim's family...

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #19

                              BTW, some outlets are reporting the shooter was deported three times, not just once.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #20

                                And...Deputies had already been to see the guy about shooting in his yard...

                                https://abc7chicago.com/amp/francisco-oropeza-cleveland-texas-shooting-shooter/13195996/

                                Why didn't the deputies know he was an illegal?

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #21

                                  Apprehended.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • MikM Offline
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                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #22

                                    My question is the same as Jolly’s. How did an illegal have an AR-15? I suspect he didn’t buy it legally. Gun laws wouldn’t do a damn thing for this. Border security would have.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #23

                                      It's not just that he had an AR-15 illegally. When the deputies talked to him, why wasn't his illegal immigrant status known by them?

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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