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  • M Mik
    29 Apr 2023, 23:23

    Unlikely. It’s not the gun but the willingness to use it.

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    Axtremus
    wrote on 30 Apr 2023, 01:29 last edited by
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    @Mik said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

    It’s not the gun but the willingness to use it.

    If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter.

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    • G George K
      29 Apr 2023, 23:15

      Would the result have been any different if he had been shooting his Glock?

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      Axtremus
      wrote on 30 Apr 2023, 01:31 last edited by
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      @George-K said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

      Would the result have been any different if he had been shooting his Glock?

      Would the result have been any different if he had been shooting a water pistol?

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      • M Mik
        29 Apr 2023, 21:21

        There's more to this story. Like mental health.

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        Axtremus
        wrote on 30 Apr 2023, 01:34 last edited by
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        @Mik said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

        There's more to this story. Like mental health.

        It is a possibility that mental health maybe a part of the story.

        It is a certainty that there would not be a story at all if there wasn't a gun.

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        • A Axtremus
          30 Apr 2023, 01:29

          @Mik said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

          It’s not the gun but the willingness to use it.

          If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter.

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          Copper
          wrote on 30 Apr 2023, 01:43 last edited by
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          @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

          If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter

          If there is no willingness to use one, the gun would not matter

          blah, blah, blah

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          • C Copper
            30 Apr 2023, 01:43

            @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

            If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter

            If there is no willingness to use one, the gun would not matter

            blah, blah, blah

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            Axtremus
            wrote on 30 Apr 2023, 01:49 last edited by
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            @Copper said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

            @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

            If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter

            If there is no willingness to use one, the gun would not matter

            Not so, there is still such a thing as "unintentional discharge" where "willingness" matters not.

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            • A Axtremus
              30 Apr 2023, 01:49

              @Copper said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

              @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

              If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter

              If there is no willingness to use one, the gun would not matter

              Not so, there is still such a thing as "unintentional discharge" where "willingness" matters not.

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              Copper
              wrote on 30 Apr 2023, 02:08 last edited by
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              @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

              Not so, there is still such a thing as "unintentional discharge" where "willingness" matters not.

              There is still such a thing as "broken gun" where the gun matters not.

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                Jolly
                wrote on 30 Apr 2023, 12:17 last edited by
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                What if the father had also been armed?

                Just as a thought exercise...

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 30 Apr 2023, 12:21 last edited by
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                  But back to reality...

                  I suspect at the bottom of this is a mental health issue. It's going to be a very contentious debate defining at what stage of mental illness one cannot own firearms (right now, you have to be adjudicated mentally ill), but that's going to be the common ground between the gun grabbers and the 2nd Amendment guys.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    George K
                    wrote on 30 Apr 2023, 22:45 last edited by
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                    "Texan Illegal alien who had been deported before killed 5 neighbors..."

                    FIFY

                    https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-releases-new-photos-fugitive-accused-fatally-shooting-5-neighbors-texas

                    Oropesa is in the country illegally and has been deported perviously, an ICE source told Fox News Digital. He has re-entered the U.S. illegally "multiple" times and ICE last encountered him in 2016, the course said.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • G George K
                      30 Apr 2023, 22:45

                      "Texan Illegal alien who had been deported before killed 5 neighbors..."

                      FIFY

                      https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-releases-new-photos-fugitive-accused-fatally-shooting-5-neighbors-texas

                      Oropesa is in the country illegally and has been deported perviously, an ICE source told Fox News Digital. He has re-entered the U.S. illegally "multiple" times and ICE last encountered him in 2016, the course said.

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 30 Apr 2023, 22:47 last edited by
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                      @George-K said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                      "Texan Illegal alien who had been deported before killed 5 neighbors..."

                      FIFY

                      https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-releases-new-photos-fugitive-accused-fatally-shooting-5-neighbors-texas

                      Oropesa is in the country illegally and has been deported perviously, an ICE source told Fox News Digital. He has re-entered the U.S. illegally "multiple" times and ICE last encountered him in 2016, the course said.

                      Watch this story die the death of a woodpecker in the MSM....

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • A Axtremus
                        30 Apr 2023, 01:49

                        @Copper said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                        @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                        If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter

                        If there is no willingness to use one, the gun would not matter

                        Not so, there is still such a thing as "unintentional discharge" where "willingness" matters not.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 30 Apr 2023, 22:48 last edited by
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                        @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                        @Copper said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                        @Axtremus said in Texan killed 5 neighbors with AR-15 including a child:

                        If there is no gun, the willingness to use one would not matter

                        If there is no willingness to use one, the gun would not matter

                        Not so, there is still such a thing as "unintentional discharge" where "willingness" matters not.

                        Well, well, well...Tell us again how well that open border thing is working out for you.

                        While you're at it, might want to explain it to the victim's family...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Jolly
                          wrote on 30 Apr 2023, 23:18 last edited by
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                          BTW, some outlets are reporting the shooter was deported three times, not just once.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 30 Apr 2023, 23:22 last edited by
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                            And...Deputies had already been to see the guy about shooting in his yard...

                            https://abc7chicago.com/amp/francisco-oropeza-cleveland-texas-shooting-shooter/13195996/

                            Why didn't the deputies know he was an illegal?

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              George K
                              wrote on 3 May 2023, 00:47 last edited by
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                              Apprehended.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Mik
                                wrote on 3 May 2023, 01:02 last edited by
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                                My question is the same as Jolly’s. How did an illegal have an AR-15? I suspect he didn’t buy it legally. Gun laws wouldn’t do a damn thing for this. Border security would have.

                                "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 3 May 2023, 03:53 last edited by
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                                  It's not just that he had an AR-15 illegally. When the deputies talked to him, why wasn't his illegal immigrant status known by them?

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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