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We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while

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  • MikM Offline
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    Things that I have not been able to find is what is the fatality rate and serious case rate for those over 65 alone, or 60-70, where I fall right in the middle. I have no feel for how many people my age get mild cases and how many serious or fatal.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      I can't believe that at this late date you're still confused about CFR vs IFR.

      But whatever.

      What's your narrative as to why the people who contract it the week of July 12th will have a fatality rate ~1/2 that of those who contract it the week of June 29th?

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      @jon-nyc said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

      I can't believe that at this late date you're still confused about CFR vs IFR.

      But whatever.

      What's your narrative as to why the people who contract it the week of July 12th will have a fatality rate ~1/2 that of those who contract it the week of June 29th?

      I’m not confused, I’m doing a number of things at once which does lower ones IQ.

      I am still waiting on the new CDC estimate that you lambasted and also your comments on the vulnerable being more protected. It’s the first thing I said when Covid came out that we had to do.

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      • MikM Mik

        Things that I have not been able to find is what is the fatality rate and serious case rate for those over 65 alone, or 60-70, where I fall right in the middle. I have no feel for how many people my age get mild cases and how many serious or fatal.

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        @Mik said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

        Things that I have not been able to find is what is the fatality rate and serious case rate for those over 65 alone, or 60-70, where I fall right in the middle. I have no feel for how many people my age get mild cases and how many serious or fatal.

        My take is that the risk rises with age and comorbidity, although if I were 70 and healthy I wouldn’t be overly scared. Of course one could have the X factor for good or bad.

        What has remained constant is the number of years of life lost due to Covid.

        Harvard calculated at 1 year.

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          What does that mean? That the average life left for those who died from COVID was 1 year?

          Education is extremely important.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            What does that mean? That the average life left for those who died from COVID was 1 year?

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            @Horace said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

            What does that mean? That the average life left for those who died from COVID was 1 year?

            Basically. It’s an estimate of life lost.

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              Bias is a fascinating thing. Regarding JB's old signature, we've certainly crossed the threshold.

              Please love yourself.

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              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                Bias is a fascinating thing. Regarding JB's old signature, we've certainly crossed the threshold.

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                @Aqua-Letifer said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                Bias is a fascinating thing. Regarding JB's old signature, we've certainly crossed the threshold.

                Everyone biased so far has had their comeuppance but I agree there is no loss of enthusiasm.

                We were taught to rely on science. It’s been a rocky ride.

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                  @Mik said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                  Things that I have not been able to find is what is the fatality rate and serious case rate for those over 65 alone, or 60-70, where I fall right in the middle. I have no feel for how many people my age get mild cases and how many serious or fatal.

                  My take is that the risk rises with age and comorbidity, although if I were 70 and healthy I wouldn’t be overly scared. Of course one could have the X factor for good or bad.

                  What has remained constant is the number of years of life lost due to Covid.

                  Harvard calculated at 1 year.

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                  @Loki said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                  @Mik said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                  Things that I have not been able to find is what is the fatality rate and serious case rate for those over 65 alone, or 60-70, where I fall right in the middle. I have no feel for how many people my age get mild cases and how many serious or fatal.

                  My take is that the risk rises with age and comorbidity, although if I were 70 and healthy I wouldn’t be overly scared. Of course one could have the X factor for good or bad.

                  What has remained constant is the number of years of life lost due to Covid.

                  Harvard calculated at 1 year.

                  How does that address my question?

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    I can't believe that at this late date you're still confused about CFR vs IFR.

                    But whatever.

                    What's your narrative as to why the people who contract it the week of July 12th will have a fatality rate ~1/2 that of those who contract it the week of June 29th?

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                    @jon-nyc said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                    I can't believe that at this late date you're still confused about CFR vs IFR.

                    But whatever.

                    I don't know what either CFR or IFR mean, I just haven't been worrying about it, really

                    Hasn't the amount of testing gone way up in the last few weeks?

                    Around here it has, there have been several local blood drive/testing events recently.

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                      Yes, a factor in the spike of new cases is all the new testing.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                        Test positivity fell with increased testing until about the first or second week of June. But since the spike in new cases it's grown by half.

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                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                        • MikM Mik

                          Things that I have not been able to find is what is the fatality rate and serious case rate for those over 65 alone, or 60-70, where I fall right in the middle. I have no feel for how many people my age get mild cases and how many serious or fatal.

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                          @Mik said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                          Things that I have not been able to find is what is the fatality rate and serious case rate for those over 65 alone, or 60-70, where I fall right in the middle. I have no feel for how many people my age get mild cases and how many serious or fatal.

                          You can google case fatality rate by age.

                          Generally here is what you will find

                          0-9. Almost nothing
                          10-19. 0- .20%
                          20-29. 0- .22
                          30-39. .11-.3
                          40-49. .08-.4
                          50-59. .5-1.3
                          60-69. 1.8-3.6
                          70-79. 4.8-12.8
                          80+. 13-20%

                          Remember this is CFR not IFR. These % will decline with more testing.

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                            Thanks. That is part of what I was looking for. I had already found 4%, but thought that was inexact. Now what I am looking for is how the percentage of serious cases in my age range. Still, while we have opened up a bit, we're being far more careful than most.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • MikM Mik

                              Thanks. That is part of what I was looking for. I had already found 4%, but thought that was inexact. Now what I am looking for is how the percentage of serious cases in my age range. Still, while we have opened up a bit, we're being far more careful than most.

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                              @Mik said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                              Thanks. That is part of what I was looking for. I had already found 4%, but thought that was inexact. Now what I am looking for is how the percentage of serious cases in my age range. Still, while we have opened up a bit, we're being far more careful than most.

                              I think a lot of people are being more careful than what we believe from seeing pictures. I don’t wipe stuff down but I am not out and about that much and certainly in places for less than 15 minutes without much convo.

                              Also just read a legit study that the odds of getting Covid outside are 18 times less than indoors.

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                                @Mik said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                                Thanks. That is part of what I was looking for. I had already found 4%, but thought that was inexact. Now what I am looking for is how the percentage of serious cases in my age range. Still, while we have opened up a bit, we're being far more careful than most.

                                I think a lot of people are being more careful than what we believe from seeing pictures. I don’t wipe stuff down but I am not out and about that much and certainly in places for less than 15 minutes without much convo.

                                Also just read a legit study that the odds of getting Covid outside are 18 times less than indoors.

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                                @Loki said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                                @Mik said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                                Thanks. That is part of what I was looking for. I had already found 4%, but thought that was inexact. Now what I am looking for is how the percentage of serious cases in my age range. Still, while we have opened up a bit, we're being far more careful than most.

                                I think a lot of people are being more careful than what we believe from seeing pictures.

                                Not here, and anyone who implies otherwise is so completely full of shit they're walking fertilizer.

                                I drove around Annapolis over the weekend. There were thousands of people walking around the docks. Thousands and thousands. Both Main and West streets were closed to car traffic and absolutely packed with people.

                                I made three passes with my car and counted 12 people among the crowd wearing masks. Fucking 12.

                                Let me know if you want to see pictures.

                                Please love yourself.

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                                  It's not just old people and the course of the disease can be awful. 41 year old Broadway actor.
                                  Eight weeks in a medically induced coma and a leg amputation.

                                  https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/obituaries/nick-cordero-dead-coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR3IwHEY8HGEYmgiKnDrgVmbHLZJTEThIrx0ecmMVSNrwHm9TbQFwszN7ho

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    Yeah I saw that. Obviously an outlier but what a hellish one.

                                    He left behind a one year old.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                    • MikM Mik

                                      It's not just old people and the course of the disease can be awful. 41 year old Broadway actor.
                                      Eight weeks in a medically induced coma and a leg amputation.

                                      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/obituaries/nick-cordero-dead-coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR3IwHEY8HGEYmgiKnDrgVmbHLZJTEThIrx0ecmMVSNrwHm9TbQFwszN7ho

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                                      @Mik said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                                      It's not just old people and the course of the disease can be awful. 41 year old Broadway actor.
                                      Eight weeks in a medically induced coma and a leg amputation.

                                      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/obituaries/nick-cordero-dead-coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR3IwHEY8HGEYmgiKnDrgVmbHLZJTEThIrx0ecmMVSNrwHm9TbQFwszN7ho

                                      I'm not going to pay attention to that because I really like the idea that this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Instead, I'm going to find studies that support my worldview and share those.

                                      Please love yourself.

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                                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                        @Mik said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                                        It's not just old people and the course of the disease can be awful. 41 year old Broadway actor.
                                        Eight weeks in a medically induced coma and a leg amputation.

                                        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/obituaries/nick-cordero-dead-coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR3IwHEY8HGEYmgiKnDrgVmbHLZJTEThIrx0ecmMVSNrwHm9TbQFwszN7ho

                                        I'm not going to pay attention to that because I really like the idea that this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Instead, I'm going to find studies that support my worldview and share those.

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                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                                        @Mik said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                                        It's not just old people and the course of the disease can be awful. 41 year old Broadway actor.
                                        Eight weeks in a medically induced coma and a leg amputation.

                                        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/obituaries/nick-cordero-dead-coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR3IwHEY8HGEYmgiKnDrgVmbHLZJTEThIrx0ecmMVSNrwHm9TbQFwszN7ho

                                        I'm not going to pay attention to that because I really like the idea that this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Instead, I'm going to find studies that support my worldview and share those.

                                        You can’t make policy on an outlier. The odds of dying of so many other things are much greater. You do like to pick this fight but you seem to suggest that people are biased when the data says great than 99.8% and probably 99.9% chance this won’t happen.

                                        What kind of bias is that.

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                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                                          @Mik said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                                          It's not just old people and the course of the disease can be awful. 41 year old Broadway actor.
                                          Eight weeks in a medically induced coma and a leg amputation.

                                          https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/obituaries/nick-cordero-dead-coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR3IwHEY8HGEYmgiKnDrgVmbHLZJTEThIrx0ecmMVSNrwHm9TbQFwszN7ho

                                          I'm not going to pay attention to that because I really like the idea that this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Instead, I'm going to find studies that support my worldview and share those.

                                          You can’t make policy on an outlier. The odds of dying of so many other things are much greater. You do like to pick this fight but you seem to suggest that people are biased when the data says great than 99.8% and probably 99.9% chance this won’t happen.

                                          What kind of bias is that.

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                                          @Loki said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                                          @Mik said in We haven't beat on the IHME model in a while:

                                          It's not just old people and the course of the disease can be awful. 41 year old Broadway actor.
                                          Eight weeks in a medically induced coma and a leg amputation.

                                          https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/obituaries/nick-cordero-dead-coronavirus.html?fbclid=IwAR3IwHEY8HGEYmgiKnDrgVmbHLZJTEThIrx0ecmMVSNrwHm9TbQFwszN7ho

                                          I'm not going to pay attention to that because I really like the idea that this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. Instead, I'm going to find studies that support my worldview and share those.

                                          You can’t make policy on an outlier. The odds of dying of so many other things are much greater. You do like to pick this fight but you seem to suggest that people are biased when the data says great than 99.8% and probably 99.9% chance this won’t happen.

                                          What kind of bias is that.

                                          Incredible bias. On your part. Because if I asked you to summarize for me what I personally think policies should be God only knows what you'd say. I doubt you have any idea what my opinions on policy are. As to your own, it's obvious you're cherry-picking based on what you like to hear and your confusion about CFR and IFR suggests a fuzzy understanding of the facts at hand, let alone the conclusions that could be drawn from them.

                                          I'll give you an example:

                                          The odds of dying of so many other things are much greater.

                                          You don't seem to understand that unlike getting hit by a bus, having a stroke, getting shot and killed in a bad part of town and every other way you could die in America, death rates due to COVID-19 can and do grow exponentially when social restrictions aren't implemented. This has already been pointed out here many times in the past couple of months.

                                          The risk of dying from COVID-19 is not linear over time, so I don't know why you continue to insist that it is. For about the third time now:

                                          Chart.jpg

                                          Please love yourself.

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