Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field

[LuFins Dad]

JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm…https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-says-his-heart-was-shocked-back-into-rhythm-on-thursday-wi

It makes me wonder if this occurs at a lesser extent more often than we realize?

[jon-nyc]

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm

There's a huge difference between what happened last night and Watt's condition. About the only things they have in common are

1. It involved the heart
2. It involved an arrhythmia
3. They were shocked out of the arrhythmia

The difference between AF and VF is like the difference between @jon-nyc playing the piano and @Klaus playing the piano. You decide which is which, of course.

[Klaus]

@George-K ...

[George K]

@Klaus said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

@George-K ...

I judge not.

[Jolly]

AP says it was four minutes before the ambulance was on the field.

Some medical questions..

1. How long before CPR was administered?
2. Was an AED immediately available and was it used?
3. At what point after oxygen deprivation do we have permanent damage? As I understand it, the young man is still intubated.
4. How common is V-fib from chest trauma? It's not uncommon for players to get the wind knocked out of them or even to have a rare collapsed lung from a hit. And a few football players die every year, mostly in the high school ranks, from various causes, but I've never heard of this happening at the pro or college level, where the collisions are the most violent.

[Mik]

They did have a defib and used it on the field. It was only a few minutes before the ambulance was on the field. Not sure how long before CPR started. I suspect not long.

But the fact that he's still intubated and snowed in bodes ill.

[George K]

@Jolly said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

AP says it was four minutes before the ambulance was on the field.

Some medical questions..

1. How long before CPR was administered?

Unclear.

2. Was an AED immediately available and was it used?

I read that an AED was used, but no clue as to how long it took to use it.

3. At what point after oxygen deprivation do we have permanent damage? As I understand it, the young man is still intubated.

He could be sedated/ventilated for brain protection and also to see if any spontaneous recovery takes place.

4. How common is V-fib from chest trauma? It's not uncommon for players to get the wind knocked out of them or even to have a rare collapsed lung from a hit.

See the wikipedia link above for a nice explanation of incidence, particularly among younger victims.

Commotio cordis is a very rare event, but nonetheless is often considered when an athlete presents with sudden cardiac death. Some of the sports which have a risk for this cause of trauma are baseball, American football, association football (soccer), ice hockey, polo, rugby football, cricket, softball, pelota, fencing, lacrosse, boxing, professional wrestling, hurling and martial arts (see Touch of Death). Children are especially vulnerable, possibly due to the mechanical properties of their thoracic skeleton.[4] From 1996 to spring 2007, the USA National Commotio Cordis Registry had 188 cases recorded, with about half occurring during organized sports.[5] Almost all (96%) of the victims were male, the mean age of the victims during that period was 14.7 years, and fewer than one in five survived the incident.[

[LuFins Dad]

Sounds like that 1 in a billion occurrence where the wrong guy got hit at the wrong place at the very worst possible microsecond….

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

at the very worst possible microsecond

Milliseconds, but I take your point.

[LuFins Dad]

Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

[Horace]

@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

Maybe it would be ok to talk about NFC games this soon, but I believe a young man's life is more important than any AFC playoff implications.

[Mik]

@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

I don't think it is. Suspending the game last night was the right thing to do, but a decision still has to be made how to move forward.

There's no real time to rejigger the schedule. Given that, it is difficult to see what a fair option would be. It would not surprise me if they simply declared the Bengals the winner since they were ahead at the time. They could also declare a tie and adjust somehow in home field advantage or seeding.

[Mik]

@Horace said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

Maybe it would be ok to talk about NFC games this soon, but I believe a young man's life is more important than any AFC playoff implications.

What can be done for Damar is being done. The hard fact is life goes on.

[LuFins Dad]

Skip Bayless is being destroyed on the twit machine for basically stating that it’s a big effin deal for the NFL to postpone a game and not an easy process.

[Mik]

That's just the truth.

But social media is not a place for considered or defensible positions.

[Doctor Phibes]

There have been plenty of motor races where people die at the side of the track or are airlifted to hospital and the race continues afterwards. typically after being delayed.

In fact, I can't remember seeing a race being cancelled due to injury.

[Mik]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer/cincinnati-bengals-coach-s-classy-move-after-damar-hamlin-collapsed-during-nfl-clash/ar-AA15V4bi?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b5fb73e26393478abe472eaa9748d1a5

[LuFins Dad]

@Mik said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

I don't think it is. Suspending the game last night was the right thing to do, but a decision still has to be made how to move forward.

There's no real time to rejigger the schedule. Given that, it is difficult to see what a fair option would be. It would not surprise me if they simply declared the Bengals the winner since they were ahead at the time. They could also declare a tie and adjust somehow in home field advantage or seeding.

A tie or a forfeiture clinches the division for the Bengals. It also essentially clinches the #1 seed and bye week for the Chiefs. I tend to think the Bengals and Bills would feel the need to over exert themselves on Sunday just to decide seeding between 2 & 3, and both teams likely rest their starters…That’s essentially putting the Patriots in the last Wildcard, eliminating both Miami and Pittsburgh.

If they play the game on Thursday, that means they will need to postpone their Sunday games to Tuesday at the earliest, and result in giving both teams an extremely short week for the Wildcard weekend, which would be patently unfair to the Bengals, Bills, Patriots, and Ravens.

The fairest scenario in my opinion is a bye week. Either have only the Bengals and Bills play on Sunday and week 18 moves back a week or Go with the Thursday-Tuesday scenario then wait a week before starting the playoffs. But the logistics of that are overwhelming as are the dollars involved.

[89th]

@LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

No, not too early. Heck last night I asked my buddies what they thought the fantasy football apps would do. For example, I'm in the championship game for my fantasy league and Allen (Bills QB) is my QB... so if he ends up getting 2 points instead of 30+, then I'm pwn3d. Don't get me wrong, I fully agree that a man's life is more important than any of this, but the questions of "what happens next" will be asked, whether last night, today, or in a week.