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  • CopperC Offline
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    At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.

    And how to deal with ticket holders

    And the bookies are scratching their heads.

    There won't be any more football tonight

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    • George KG Offline
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      The question is how long he was without adequate CPR. That’ll play a huge role in prognosis.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        NFL says he is at UC Medical in critical condition.

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        @Jolly said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

        NFL says he is at UC Medical in critical condition.

        Yep. He’s at the right place. Level 1 tc.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.

          And how to deal with ticket holders

          And the bookies are scratching their heads.

          There won't be any more football tonight

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          @Copper said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

          At this point I assume they are working through playoff scenarios with or without a result in this game.

          And how to deal with ticket holders

          And the bookies are scratching their heads.

          There won't be any more football tonight

          On Twitter they would slam you for that post.

          The Brad

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          • MikM Offline
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            From his marketing rep

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            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm…https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-says-his-heart-was-shocked-back-into-rhythm-on-thursday-wi

              It makes me wonder if this occurs at a lesser extent more often than we realize?

              The Brad

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                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm…https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-says-his-heart-was-shocked-back-into-rhythm-on-thursday-wi

                  It makes me wonder if this occurs at a lesser extent more often than we realize?

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                  @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                  JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm

                  There's a huge difference between what happened last night and Watt's condition. About the only things they have in common are

                  1. It involved the heart
                  2. It involved an arrhythmia
                  3. They were shocked out of the arrhythmia

                  The difference between AF and VF is like the difference between @jon-nyc playing the piano and @Klaus playing the piano. You decide which is which, of course.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                    JJ Watt went into A-Fib this year and had to be shocked back into rhythm

                    There's a huge difference between what happened last night and Watt's condition. About the only things they have in common are

                    1. It involved the heart
                    2. It involved an arrhythmia
                    3. They were shocked out of the arrhythmia

                    The difference between AF and VF is like the difference between @jon-nyc playing the piano and @Klaus playing the piano. You decide which is which, of course.

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                    @George-K ...

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                      @George-K ...

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                      @Klaus said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                      @George-K ...

                      I judge not.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        AP says it was four minutes before the ambulance was on the field.

                        Some medical questions..

                        1. How long before CPR was administered?
                        2. Was an AED immediately available and was it used?
                        3. At what point after oxygen deprivation do we have permanent damage? As I understand it, the young man is still intubated.
                        4. How common is V-fib from chest trauma? It's not uncommon for players to get the wind knocked out of them or even to have a rare collapsed lung from a hit. And a few football players die every year, mostly in the high school ranks, from various causes, but I've never heard of this happening at the pro or college level, where the collisions are the most violent.

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                          They did have a defib and used it on the field. It was only a few minutes before the ambulance was on the field. Not sure how long before CPR started. I suspect not long.

                          But the fact that he's still intubated and snowed in bodes ill.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            AP says it was four minutes before the ambulance was on the field.

                            Some medical questions..

                            1. How long before CPR was administered?
                            2. Was an AED immediately available and was it used?
                            3. At what point after oxygen deprivation do we have permanent damage? As I understand it, the young man is still intubated.
                            4. How common is V-fib from chest trauma? It's not uncommon for players to get the wind knocked out of them or even to have a rare collapsed lung from a hit. And a few football players die every year, mostly in the high school ranks, from various causes, but I've never heard of this happening at the pro or college level, where the collisions are the most violent.
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                            @Jolly said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                            AP says it was four minutes before the ambulance was on the field.

                            Some medical questions..

                            1. How long before CPR was administered?

                            Unclear.

                            1. Was an AED immediately available and was it used?

                            I read that an AED was used, but no clue as to how long it took to use it.

                            1. At what point after oxygen deprivation do we have permanent damage? As I understand it, the young man is still intubated.

                            He could be sedated/ventilated for brain protection and also to see if any spontaneous recovery takes place.

                            1. How common is V-fib from chest trauma? It's not uncommon for players to get the wind knocked out of them or even to have a rare collapsed lung from a hit.

                            See the wikipedia link above for a nice explanation of incidence, particularly among younger victims.

                            Commotio cordis is a very rare event, but nonetheless is often considered when an athlete presents with sudden cardiac death. Some of the sports which have a risk for this cause of trauma are baseball, American football, association football (soccer), ice hockey, polo, rugby football, cricket, softball, pelota, fencing, lacrosse, boxing, professional wrestling, hurling and martial arts (see Touch of Death). Children are especially vulnerable, possibly due to the mechanical properties of their thoracic skeleton.[4] From 1996 to spring 2007, the USA National Commotio Cordis Registry had 188 cases recorded, with about half occurring during organized sports.[5] Almost all (96%) of the victims were male, the mean age of the victims during that period was 14.7 years, and fewer than one in five survived the incident.[

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Sounds like that 1 in a billion occurrence where the wrong guy got hit at the wrong place at the very worst possible microsecond….

                              The Brad

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                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                Sounds like that 1 in a billion occurrence where the wrong guy got hit at the wrong place at the very worst possible microsecond….

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                                @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                at the very worst possible microsecond

                                Milliseconds, but I take your point.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

                                  The Brad

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                                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                    Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

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                                    @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                    Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

                                    Maybe it would be ok to talk about NFC games this soon, but I believe a young man's life is more important than any AFC playoff implications.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

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                                      @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                      Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

                                      I don't think it is. Suspending the game last night was the right thing to do, but a decision still has to be made how to move forward.

                                      There's no real time to rejigger the schedule. Given that, it is difficult to see what a fair option would be. It would not surprise me if they simply declared the Bengals the winner since they were ahead at the time. They could also declare a tie and adjust somehow in home field advantage or seeding.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                        Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

                                        Maybe it would be ok to talk about NFC games this soon, but I believe a young man's life is more important than any AFC playoff implications.

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                                        @Horace said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                        @LuFins-Dad said in Bills Bengals - ambulance on the field:

                                        Is it too early to discuss repercussions to the game in general and this season in particular?

                                        Maybe it would be ok to talk about NFC games this soon, but I believe a young man's life is more important than any AFC playoff implications.

                                        What can be done for Damar is being done. The hard fact is life goes on.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          Skip Bayless is being destroyed on the twit machine for basically stating that it’s a big effin deal for the NFL to postpone a game and not an easy process.

                                          The Brad

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