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  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

    @Doctor-Phibes said in ChatGPT:

    I still don't really understand how it's all going to work.

    Here, let me break it down for you:

    The offer on the table right now—as in, you can choose this today—is, "good to great work that can't scale, takes time, costs money, and involves collaborating with people who sometimes tell you no" versus "mediocre on a good day, but you get it right now, for free, you can get more of it, and no one can tell you no."

    Some companies are taking option B and laying off their writers in droves. Others are taking a middle road: training their writers on ChatGPT so they can get more done but have no loss in quality. Still others are saying no way, we're not touching any of that technology.

    The uncertainty lies in how many companies are going to choose which of these options. That'll determine how bad it is from an overall writer joblessness standpoint.

    So, sure, there's a lot of uncertainty about that. But the reality is, some people are losing their jobs. Right now. With others on the way. It's bad, but no one knows how bad it'll get.

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    Doctor Phibes
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    #100

    @Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:

    So, sure, there's a lot of uncertainty about that. But the reality is, some people are losing their jobs. Right now. With others on the way. It's bad, but no one knows how bad it'll get.

    Yes, I understand that people are losing their jobs, and I understand that this really isn't good. But I still don't understand how it's all going to work out in the medium to long-term. Technology frequently surprises people, even the experts. Bill Gates' book 'The Road Ahead' famously almost completely overlooked the importance of the internet, which was arguably the single most important innovation since the printing press - certainly in the top 5.

    I appreciate that these are really scary times, but I'm still left wondering. You're focusing on writers, for obvious reasons, but there are a ton of other jobs this could affect in ways we probably haven't even realised, sometimes for the bad, but most likely also for the good.

    I was only joking

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    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

      @Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:

      So, sure, there's a lot of uncertainty about that. But the reality is, some people are losing their jobs. Right now. With others on the way. It's bad, but no one knows how bad it'll get.

      Yes, I understand that people are losing their jobs, and I understand that this really isn't good. But I still don't understand how it's all going to work out in the medium to long-term. Technology frequently surprises people, even the experts. Bill Gates' book 'The Road Ahead' famously almost completely overlooked the importance of the internet, which was arguably the single most important innovation since the printing press - certainly in the top 5.

      I appreciate that these are really scary times, but I'm still left wondering. You're focusing on writers, for obvious reasons, but there are a ton of other jobs this could affect in ways we probably haven't even realised, sometimes for the bad, but most likely also for the good.

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      Aqua Letifer
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      #101

      @Doctor-Phibes said in ChatGPT:

      @Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:

      So, sure, there's a lot of uncertainty about that. But the reality is, some people are losing their jobs. Right now. With others on the way. It's bad, but no one knows how bad it'll get.

      Yes, I understand that people are losing their jobs, and I understand that this really isn't good. But I still don't understand how it's all going to work out in the medium to long-term. Technology frequently surprises people, even the experts. Bill Gates' book 'The Road Ahead' famously almost completely overlooked the importance of the internet, which was arguably the single most important innovation since the printing press - certainly in the top 5.

      I appreciate that these are really scary times, but I'm still left wondering. You're focusing on writers, for obvious reasons, but there are a ton of other jobs this could affect in ways we probably haven't even realised, sometimes for the bad, but most likely also for the good.

      Yeah, I agree with all that. Even the focus on writers—I'm only doing so now because that's what we happen to be talking about, but it affects a lot of industries. And no one knows where we go next. This is nothing like the automobile or the internet.

      If I was betting, I'd say we'll probably end up in some kind of universal lateral move. But the devil's in the details and its individual consequences.

      Please love yourself.

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      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

        @Horace said in ChatGPT:

        Losing one's job has similar emotional impact to losing one's marriage.

        Anyway it's not clear that when AI reaches superhuman intelligence, there'll be much left for humans to do. This is not an evolution of technology that leaves people without jobs, it's an evolution in the ability of robots to replace humans in nearly every definable, marketable skill. Nothing rushes in to fill that gap, in what people are needed for on the job market.

        Well, that's phase 2. And we have some time yet on that I think. Not a whole lot, but probably some.

        I'm not worried about phase 2 because it's going to upend so much that there's literally nothing to do to prepare for it. No one knows what that world will look like or to what extent humans will even participate in it.

        I'm still working on phase 1, which is a situation in which I might have to make a radical career change because there's still a concept and expectation of having a "career."

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        @Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:

        No one knows what that world will look like or to what extent humans will even participate in it.

        Individual communities can go back to the very basic and live like the Amish, that should still remain an option.

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        • AxtremusA Axtremus

          @Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:

          No one knows what that world will look like or to what extent humans will even participate in it.

          Individual communities can go back to the very basic and live like the Amish, that should still remain an option.

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          Aqua Letifer
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          #103

          @Axtremus said in ChatGPT:

          @Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:

          No one knows what that world will look like or to what extent humans will even participate in it.

          Individual communities can go back to the very basic and live like the Amish, that should still remain an option.

          Point. Missed.

          Please love yourself.

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            Rainman
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            #104

            Hey Ax, you and me, Bud!
            We'd have the coolest buggy, towed by the biggest damn black horse in existence. Dressed in black. So Slimming too! Yeah man, BAM (Black Amish Matter)!!

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              #105

              https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lawyers-say-chatgpt-tricked-them-into-citing-fictitious-legal-research-1339ec41

              Lawyers say ChatGPT tricked them into citing fictitious legal research

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lawyers-say-chatgpt-tricked-them-into-citing-fictitious-legal-research-1339ec41

                Lawyers say ChatGPT tricked them into citing fictitious legal research

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                #106

                @Axtremus said in ChatGPT:

                https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lawyers-say-chatgpt-tricked-them-into-citing-fictitious-legal-research-1339ec41

                Lawyers say ChatGPT tricked them into citing fictitious legal research

                If the lawyer was stupid enough to use Chat GPT and do no follow up, then he deserves whatever punishment he gets.

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                  #107

                  https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/06/13/chatgpt-and-google-bard-adoption-remains-surprisingly-low

                  Low adoption of AI chat bots, according to a JP Morgan study:

                  ... only 19 per cent of the people who took part in the study said that they have used ChatGPT before, while only 9 per cent of the respondents have used the Google Bard chatbot.

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                    Aqua Letifer
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #108

                    Yeah that's not likely to change or anything.

                    Please love yourself.

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                      Yellowstone
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #109

                      I promise to create a very hostile environment for AI Development in 2024…

                      Make America Molten Again!

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                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/05/federal-judge-no-ai-in-my-courtroom-unless-a-human-verifies-its-accuracy/

                        Federal judge: No AI in my courtroom unless a human verifies its accuracy
                        Judge wary of AI "hallucinations," says it isn't acceptable for legal briefing.

                        For now, I think it’s a good rule.

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                        Axtremus
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #110

                        Follow-up:

                        https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/06/lawyers-have-real-bad-day-in-court-after-citing-fake-cases-made-up-by-chatgpt/

                        A federal judge tossed a lawsuit and issued a $5,000 fine to the plaintiff's lawyers after they used ChatGPT to research court filings that cited six fake cases invented by the artificial intelligence tool made by OpenAI. …
                        … More embarrassingly for the lawyers, they are required to send letters to six real judges who were "falsely identified as the author of the fake" opinions cited in their legal filings. …

                        $5,000 fine is likely too lenient considering the lawyers could likely have billed more than that with merely a day’s work.

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                        • AxtremusA Axtremus

                          Follow-up:

                          https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/06/lawyers-have-real-bad-day-in-court-after-citing-fake-cases-made-up-by-chatgpt/

                          A federal judge tossed a lawsuit and issued a $5,000 fine to the plaintiff's lawyers after they used ChatGPT to research court filings that cited six fake cases invented by the artificial intelligence tool made by OpenAI. …
                          … More embarrassingly for the lawyers, they are required to send letters to six real judges who were "falsely identified as the author of the fake" opinions cited in their legal filings. …

                          $5,000 fine is likely too lenient considering the lawyers could likely have billed more than that with merely a day’s work.

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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #111

                          @Axtremus said in ChatGPT:

                          $5,000 fine is likely too lenient considering the lawyers could likely have billed more than that with merely a day’s work.

                          Gotta protect your own, dont'cha know.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            #112

                            https://www.laptopmag.com/news/wormgpt-chatgpts-evil-twin-should-have-us-all-deeply-concerned

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                            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                              https://www.laptopmag.com/news/wormgpt-chatgpts-evil-twin-should-have-us-all-deeply-concerned

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                              mark
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #113

                              @taiwan_girl said in ChatGPT:

                              https://www.laptopmag.com/news/wormgpt-chatgpts-evil-twin-should-have-us-all-deeply-concerned

                              Silly human race.

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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #114

                                ChatGPT leans liberal, new research shows

                                https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/08/16/chatgpt-ai-political-bias-research/

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  #115

                                  The interesting question is whether it leans liberal only because the data set on which it was trained leans liberal, or if there was some intentionality behind it.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    Copper
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                                    It is young

                                    It will grow up

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                                      LuFins Dad
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #117

                                      A young AI that isn’t a little liberal has no heart. A mature AI that isn’t conservative has no brain…

                                      The Brad

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        The interesting question is whether it leans liberal only because the data set on which it was trained leans liberal, or if there was some intentionality behind it.

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                                        Klaus
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #118

                                        @jon-nyc said in ChatGPT:

                                        The interesting question is whether it leans liberal only because the data set on which it was trained leans liberal, or if there was some intentionality behind it.

                                        The selection of which data to train it on was likely biased.

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                                          Klaus
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #119

                                          Imagine a future in which the majority of text on the internet was produced by ChatGPT et al - which is then fed into ChatGPT et al as training data.

                                          What would this process converge to?

                                          I'd suggest that some weird variant of the 2nd thermodynamic law implies that the chat bots will become more stupid with each iteration. They cannot produce text that contains new information or patterns that they don't already know. It's an endless loop of confirmation bias at work.

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