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  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

    @Horace said in ChatGPT:

    Losing one's job has similar emotional impact to losing one's marriage.

    Anyway it's not clear that when AI reaches superhuman intelligence, there'll be much left for humans to do. This is not an evolution of technology that leaves people without jobs, it's an evolution in the ability of robots to replace humans in nearly every definable, marketable skill. Nothing rushes in to fill that gap, in what people are needed for on the job market.

    Well, that's phase 2. And we have some time yet on that I think. Not a whole lot, but probably some.

    I'm not worried about phase 2 because it's going to upend so much that there's literally nothing to do to prepare for it. No one knows what that world will look like or to what extent humans will even participate in it.

    I'm still working on phase 1, which is a situation in which I might have to make a radical career change because there's still a concept and expectation of having a "career."

    AxtremusA Away
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    Axtremus
    wrote on last edited by
    #102

    @Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:

    No one knows what that world will look like or to what extent humans will even participate in it.

    Individual communities can go back to the very basic and live like the Amish, that should still remain an option.

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      @Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:

      No one knows what that world will look like or to what extent humans will even participate in it.

      Individual communities can go back to the very basic and live like the Amish, that should still remain an option.

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      Aqua Letifer
      wrote on last edited by
      #103

      @Axtremus said in ChatGPT:

      @Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:

      No one knows what that world will look like or to what extent humans will even participate in it.

      Individual communities can go back to the very basic and live like the Amish, that should still remain an option.

      Point. Missed.

      Please love yourself.

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        Rainman
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        #104

        Hey Ax, you and me, Bud!
        We'd have the coolest buggy, towed by the biggest damn black horse in existence. Dressed in black. So Slimming too! Yeah man, BAM (Black Amish Matter)!!

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        • AxtremusA Away
          AxtremusA Away
          Axtremus
          wrote on last edited by
          #105

          https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lawyers-say-chatgpt-tricked-them-into-citing-fictitious-legal-research-1339ec41

          Lawyers say ChatGPT tricked them into citing fictitious legal research

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lawyers-say-chatgpt-tricked-them-into-citing-fictitious-legal-research-1339ec41

            Lawyers say ChatGPT tricked them into citing fictitious legal research

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            wrote on last edited by
            #106

            @Axtremus said in ChatGPT:

            https://www.marketwatch.com/story/lawyers-say-chatgpt-tricked-them-into-citing-fictitious-legal-research-1339ec41

            Lawyers say ChatGPT tricked them into citing fictitious legal research

            If the lawyer was stupid enough to use Chat GPT and do no follow up, then he deserves whatever punishment he gets.

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            • AxtremusA Away
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              Axtremus
              wrote on last edited by
              #107

              https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/06/13/chatgpt-and-google-bard-adoption-remains-surprisingly-low

              Low adoption of AI chat bots, according to a JP Morgan study:

              ... only 19 per cent of the people who took part in the study said that they have used ChatGPT before, while only 9 per cent of the respondents have used the Google Bard chatbot.

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              • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                Aqua Letifer
                wrote on last edited by
                #108

                Yeah that's not likely to change or anything.

                Please love yourself.

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                • YellowstoneY Offline
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                  Yellowstone
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #109

                  I promise to create a very hostile environment for AI Development in 2024…

                  Make America Molten Again!

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                  • AxtremusA Axtremus

                    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/05/federal-judge-no-ai-in-my-courtroom-unless-a-human-verifies-its-accuracy/

                    Federal judge: No AI in my courtroom unless a human verifies its accuracy
                    Judge wary of AI "hallucinations," says it isn't acceptable for legal briefing.

                    For now, I think it’s a good rule.

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                    Axtremus
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                    #110

                    Follow-up:

                    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/06/lawyers-have-real-bad-day-in-court-after-citing-fake-cases-made-up-by-chatgpt/

                    A federal judge tossed a lawsuit and issued a $5,000 fine to the plaintiff's lawyers after they used ChatGPT to research court filings that cited six fake cases invented by the artificial intelligence tool made by OpenAI. …
                    … More embarrassingly for the lawyers, they are required to send letters to six real judges who were "falsely identified as the author of the fake" opinions cited in their legal filings. …

                    $5,000 fine is likely too lenient considering the lawyers could likely have billed more than that with merely a day’s work.

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      Follow-up:

                      https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/06/lawyers-have-real-bad-day-in-court-after-citing-fake-cases-made-up-by-chatgpt/

                      A federal judge tossed a lawsuit and issued a $5,000 fine to the plaintiff's lawyers after they used ChatGPT to research court filings that cited six fake cases invented by the artificial intelligence tool made by OpenAI. …
                      … More embarrassingly for the lawyers, they are required to send letters to six real judges who were "falsely identified as the author of the fake" opinions cited in their legal filings. …

                      $5,000 fine is likely too lenient considering the lawyers could likely have billed more than that with merely a day’s work.

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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #111

                      @Axtremus said in ChatGPT:

                      $5,000 fine is likely too lenient considering the lawyers could likely have billed more than that with merely a day’s work.

                      Gotta protect your own, dont'cha know.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        #112

                        https://www.laptopmag.com/news/wormgpt-chatgpts-evil-twin-should-have-us-all-deeply-concerned

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                        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                          https://www.laptopmag.com/news/wormgpt-chatgpts-evil-twin-should-have-us-all-deeply-concerned

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                          #113

                          @taiwan_girl said in ChatGPT:

                          https://www.laptopmag.com/news/wormgpt-chatgpts-evil-twin-should-have-us-all-deeply-concerned

                          Silly human race.

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
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                            #114

                            ChatGPT leans liberal, new research shows

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/08/16/chatgpt-ai-political-bias-research/

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #115

                              The interesting question is whether it leans liberal only because the data set on which it was trained leans liberal, or if there was some intentionality behind it.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                Copper
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #116

                                It is young

                                It will grow up

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                                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #117

                                  A young AI that isn’t a little liberal has no heart. A mature AI that isn’t conservative has no brain…

                                  The Brad

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                                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                    The interesting question is whether it leans liberal only because the data set on which it was trained leans liberal, or if there was some intentionality behind it.

                                    KlausK Offline
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                                    Klaus
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #118

                                    @jon-nyc said in ChatGPT:

                                    The interesting question is whether it leans liberal only because the data set on which it was trained leans liberal, or if there was some intentionality behind it.

                                    The selection of which data to train it on was likely biased.

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                                      Klaus
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #119

                                      Imagine a future in which the majority of text on the internet was produced by ChatGPT et al - which is then fed into ChatGPT et al as training data.

                                      What would this process converge to?

                                      I'd suggest that some weird variant of the 2nd thermodynamic law implies that the chat bots will become more stupid with each iteration. They cannot produce text that contains new information or patterns that they don't already know. It's an endless loop of confirmation bias at work.

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                                      • KlausK Klaus

                                        @jon-nyc said in ChatGPT:

                                        The interesting question is whether it leans liberal only because the data set on which it was trained leans liberal, or if there was some intentionality behind it.

                                        The selection of which data to train it on was likely biased.

                                        Aqua LetiferA Offline
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                                        Aqua Letifer
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #120

                                        @Klaus said in ChatGPT:

                                        @jon-nyc said in ChatGPT:

                                        The interesting question is whether it leans liberal only because the data set on which it was trained leans liberal, or if there was some intentionality behind it.

                                        The selection of which data to train it on was likely biased.

                                        Not necessarily. There are plenty of other ways to introduce bias in an AI model.

                                        Please love yourself.

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                                          Axtremus
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                                          #121

                                          https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/09/george-r-r-martin-joins-authors-suing-openai-over-copyright-infringement/

                                          ... popular authors including John Grisham, Jonathan Franzen, George R.R. Martin, Jodi Picoult, and George Saunders joined the Authors Guild in suing OpenAI, alleging that training the company's large language models (LLMs) used to power AI tools like ChatGPT on pirated versions of their books violates copyright laws and is "systematic theft on a mass scale."

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