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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-02/hollywood-writers-go-on-strike-seek-higher-pay-in-streaming-era

    Hollywood writers go on strike. This is news on its own right. Buried in there is this little nugget:

    The guild added that the studios have been “stonewalling” on issues such as the use of artificial intelligence in script production.

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    Aqua Letifer
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    #76

    @Axtremus said in Chat GPT:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-02/hollywood-writers-go-on-strike-seek-higher-pay-in-streaming-era

    Hollywood writers go on strike. This is news on its own right. Buried in there is this little nugget:

    The guild added that the studios have been “stonewalling” on issues such as the use of artificial intelligence in script production.

    @Axtremus said in Chat GPT:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-02/hollywood-writers-go-on-strike-seek-higher-pay-in-streaming-era

    Hollywood writers go on strike. This is news on its own right. Buried in there is this little nugget:

    The guild added that the studios have been “stonewalling” on issues such as the use of artificial intelligence in script production.

    That's because that "buried little nugget" has nothing to do with anything. The strike isn't about AI.

    Please love yourself.

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ibm-expects-to-pause-hiring-for-thousands-of-jobs-that-can-be-done-by-ai-report-51958ef

      IBM expects to pause hiring for non-customer facing roles. HR is cited as an example. The article mentions that such roles number around 26,000 and expects ~30% reduction in these roles, about ~8,000 jobs.

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      wrote on last edited by
      #77

      @Axtremus said in Chat GPT:

      HR is cited as an example.

      Excellent

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      • CopperC Copper

        @Axtremus said in Chat GPT:

        HR is cited as an example.

        Excellent

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        Aqua Letifer
        wrote on last edited by
        #78

        @Copper said in Chat GPT:

        @Axtremus said in Chat GPT:

        HR is cited as an example.

        Excellent

        I'd rather have human HR gremlins over AI.

        Please love yourself.

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          Aqua Letifer
          wrote on last edited by
          #79

          Screenshot 2023-05-03 at 12.48.30 AM.png

          Look 'em up if you don't know what they do.

          Please love yourself.

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            wrote on last edited by
            #80

            AI is definitely going to have an impact on certain job positions. I think in history, this has always happened when new technology occurs.

            I remember reading an article about the pretty sudden decrease in the number of blacksmiths/horseshoe people as the automobiles increased and the need for their services was no longer needed.

            With AI, it is like the box that is opened and impossible to shut again.

            We have to adapt.

            Maybe not a perfect example, but when was the last time you had an iceman (or milkman) come to the house?

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              wrote on last edited by
              #81

              An AI generated beer commercial. Really weird! LOL

              Interesting to see what it would like in a year from now.

              "it appears they likely created it using Runway's new Gen-2 AI model, which can create short video clips based on written prompts similar to how Stable Diffusion can create still images."

              https://privateisland.tv/project#synthetic-summer

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              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                Screenshot 2023-05-03 at 12.48.30 AM.png

                Look 'em up if you don't know what they do.

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                Axtremus
                wrote on last edited by
                #82

                @Aqua-Letifer said in Chat GPT:

                Look 'em up if you don't know what they [Chegg] do.

                Years ago, I bought a mobile phone app by some German developer called "Math 42," an easy to use, no fuzz app that, you type in a math problem in the form of an equation, it shows you the steps to get to the solution(s). Not as powerful as, say, established desktop applications like Maple or Mathematica, but good enough for many K-12 math problems. I was quite happy with "Math 42."

                Then Chegg bought out "Math 42," and soon the app became unusable. All of a sudden you're required to "create an account" with Chegg and has to "login" to use the app. First I gave it the benefit of the doubt and tried to create an account, etc. The backend system never worked, I could never successfully "login," and "Math 42" became completely unusable to me. I have since deleted it from my devices and I have been pessimistic about Chegg ever since.

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Chat GPT:

                  Look 'em up if you don't know what they [Chegg] do.

                  Years ago, I bought a mobile phone app by some German developer called "Math 42," an easy to use, no fuzz app that, you type in a math problem in the form of an equation, it shows you the steps to get to the solution(s). Not as powerful as, say, established desktop applications like Maple or Mathematica, but good enough for many K-12 math problems. I was quite happy with "Math 42."

                  Then Chegg bought out "Math 42," and soon the app became unusable. All of a sudden you're required to "create an account" with Chegg and has to "login" to use the app. First I gave it the benefit of the doubt and tried to create an account, etc. The backend system never worked, I could never successfully "login," and "Math 42" became completely unusable to me. I have since deleted it from my devices and I have been pessimistic about Chegg ever since.

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                  Aqua Letifer
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                  #83

                  @Axtremus said in Chat GPT:

                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Chat GPT:

                  Look 'em up if you don't know what they [Chegg] do.

                  Years ago, I bought a mobile phone app by some German developer called "Math 42," an easy to use, no fuzz app that, you type in a math problem in the form of an equation, it shows you the steps to get to the solution(s). Not as powerful as, say, established desktop applications like Maple or Mathematica, but good enough for many K-12 math problems. I was quite happy with "Math 42."

                  Then Chegg bought out "Math 42," and soon the app became unusable. All of a sudden you're required to "create an account" with Chegg and has to "login" to use the app. First I gave it the benefit of the doubt and tried to create an account, etc. The backend system never worked, I could never successfully "login," and "Math 42" became completely unusable to me. I have since deleted it from my devices and I have been pessimistic about Chegg ever since.

                  No reason to be pessimistic, they won't be around much longer.

                  Please love yourself.

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                    Axtremus
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                    #84

                    Do not trust ChatGPT

                    https://www.thestreet.com/reference/education/chatgpt-mistake-costs-recent-college-graduates-their-diplomas

                    Some college prof. tried to use ChatGPT to "detect" whether students' papers were written with ChatGPT and found many false positives, delaying many graduating students from properly receiving their diplomas.

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                      Axtremus
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #85

                      https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/05/federal-judge-no-ai-in-my-courtroom-unless-a-human-verifies-its-accuracy/

                      Federal judge: No AI in my courtroom unless a human verifies its accuracy
                      Judge wary of AI "hallucinations," says it isn't acceptable for legal briefing.

                      For now, I think it’s a good rule.

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                        Aqua Letifer
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #86

                        https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-12138893/WPP-Nvidia-create-platform-capable-making-adverts-AI.html

                        WPP agrees deal with US tech giant Nvidia as FTSE 100 ad group plots artificial intelligence-created content

                        WPP owns MediaCom, Mindshare, Grey Group and Ogilvy to name a few.
                        I noticed they didn't really touch on whether the NVIDIA partnership would, you know, make better content. Nope, speed's the name of the game.

                        Please love yourself.

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                          Axtremus
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                          #87

                          More "ChatGPT took my job" stories:

                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/02/ai-taking-jobs/

                          Copywriters aside, it cites a Goldman Sachs analysis that says the lawyers (legal profession more generally?) will be hit hard.

                          And there is this gem:

                          Experts say that even advanced AI doesn’t match the writing skills of a human: It lacks personal voice and style, and it often churns out wrong, nonsensical or biased answers. But for many companies, the cost-cutting is worth a drop in quality.

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            AI is definitely going to have an impact on certain job positions. I think in history, this has always happened when new technology occurs.

                            I remember reading an article about the pretty sudden decrease in the number of blacksmiths/horseshoe people as the automobiles increased and the need for their services was no longer needed.

                            With AI, it is like the box that is opened and impossible to shut again.

                            We have to adapt.

                            Maybe not a perfect example, but when was the last time you had an iceman (or milkman) come to the house?

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                            Aqua Letifer
                            wrote on last edited by Aqua Letifer
                            #88

                            @taiwan_girl said in Chat GPT:

                            AI is definitely going to have an impact on certain job positions. I think in history, this has always happened when new technology occurs.

                            I remember reading an article about the pretty sudden decrease in the number of blacksmiths/horseshoe people as the automobiles increased and the need for their services was no longer needed.

                            With AI, it is like the box that is opened and impossible to shut again.

                            We have to adapt.

                            Maybe not a perfect example, but when was the last time you had an iceman (or milkman) come to the house?

                            Yes, professional writers, lawyers and financial advisors are just like milkmen. And it's simply a matter of adapting over the weekend.

                            Speaking of jobs, have you ever considered a career in job coaching?

                            Please love yourself.

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                              I remember during freshman year of college a professor gave me a C for a paper that otherwise was an A because she suspected another student and I worked together to write the same paper. It was 100% untrue, I had no idea who the other person was, but apparently our paper and key points within were too similar. I was very annoyed that I had no other recourse other than accept the C because of the false accusation by the professor. I'd imagine that's what false positive ChatGPT reactions feel like.

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @taiwan_girl said in Chat GPT:

                                AI is definitely going to have an impact on certain job positions. I think in history, this has always happened when new technology occurs.

                                I remember reading an article about the pretty sudden decrease in the number of blacksmiths/horseshoe people as the automobiles increased and the need for their services was no longer needed.

                                With AI, it is like the box that is opened and impossible to shut again.

                                We have to adapt.

                                Maybe not a perfect example, but when was the last time you had an iceman (or milkman) come to the house?

                                Yes, professional writers, lawyers and financial advisors are just like milkmen. And it's simply a matter of adapting over the weekend.

                                Speaking of jobs, have you ever considered a career in job coaching?

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #90

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:

                                Yes, professional writers, lawyers and financial advisors are just like milkmen.

                                If you were a milkman you'd probably think they were less important.

                                I was only joking

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                                • 89th8 89th

                                  I remember during freshman year of college a professor gave me a C for a paper that otherwise was an A because she suspected another student and I worked together to write the same paper. It was 100% untrue, I had no idea who the other person was, but apparently our paper and key points within were too similar. I was very annoyed that I had no other recourse other than accept the C because of the false accusation by the professor. I'd imagine that's what false positive ChatGPT reactions feel like.

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                                  Horace
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                                  #91

                                  @89th said in ChatGPT:

                                  I remember during freshman year of college a professor gave me a C for a paper that otherwise was an A because she suspected another student and I worked together to write the same paper. It was 100% untrue, I had no idea who the other person was, but apparently our paper and key points within were too similar. I was very annoyed that I had no other recourse other than accept the C because of the false accusation by the professor. I'd imagine that's what false positive ChatGPT reactions feel like.

                                  Grade inflation being what it is, I bet professors no longer bother to care about cheating. They are in the business of rubber stamping As, and probably welcome a likely-fraudulent paper that at least, if the content were not plagiarized, deserves an A.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:

                                    Yes, professional writers, lawyers and financial advisors are just like milkmen.

                                    If you were a milkman you'd probably think they were less important.

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                                    Aqua Letifer
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                                    #92

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in ChatGPT:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in ChatGPT:

                                    Yes, professional writers, lawyers and financial advisors are just like milkmen.

                                    If you were a milkman you'd probably think they were less important.

                                    If you're talking professions, yeah, probably I would. If you're talking their employment then no, I probably wouldn't. I was in middle school when the Bausch + Lomb plant got shut down in my home town. It was a serious enough event that there was a request to pray for the families affected in my Social Studies class. (And yeah, I went to public school, so, just imagine that today.) In high school, my mom lost her job. We didn't exactly live in a metropolis, so she was lucky to find work in another department. It was iffy how it was going to go.

                                    For my part, I've seen several ugly layoffs. Everything from real weird shit to the commonplace crying over your crated belongings. It's never not fucked up.

                                    Lawyers can be nasty bastards and there are plenty of other professions that are fun to make fun of. But I don't care if you're a gas lamplighter or a "horseshoe person"—by the way, they're called farriers—losing your job before you're ready can be a very heavy thing to deal with.

                                    You've mentioned before that similar shifts have happened in other professions and no one seemed to care very much, because of the kinds of work and kinds of people affected. I think that's fucked up, too.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #93

                                      Losing one's job has similar emotional impact to losing one's marriage.

                                      Anyway it's not clear that when AI reaches superhuman intelligence, there'll be much left for humans to do. This is not an evolution of technology that leaves people without jobs, it's an evolution in the ability of robots to replace humans in nearly every definable, marketable skill. Nothing rushes in to fill that gap, in what people are needed for on the job market.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        Losing one's job has similar emotional impact to losing one's marriage.

                                        Anyway it's not clear that when AI reaches superhuman intelligence, there'll be much left for humans to do. This is not an evolution of technology that leaves people without jobs, it's an evolution in the ability of robots to replace humans in nearly every definable, marketable skill. Nothing rushes in to fill that gap, in what people are needed for on the job market.

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                                        #94

                                        @Horace said in ChatGPT:

                                        Losing one's job has similar emotional impact to losing one's marriage.

                                        Anyway it's not clear that when AI reaches superhuman intelligence, there'll be much left for humans to do. This is not an evolution of technology that leaves people without jobs, it's an evolution in the ability of robots to replace humans in nearly every definable, marketable skill. Nothing rushes in to fill that gap, in what people are needed for on the job market.

                                        Well, that's phase 2. And we have some time yet on that I think. Not a whole lot, but probably some.

                                        I'm not worried about phase 2 because it's going to upend so much that there's literally nothing to do to prepare for it. No one knows what that world will look like or to what extent humans will even participate in it.

                                        I'm still working on phase 1, which is a situation in which I might have to make a radical career change because there's still a concept and expectation of having a "career."

                                        Please love yourself.

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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #95

                                          To be honest, I don't understand AI well enough, if at all, to be able to judge how terrifying this is, but plenty of people seem to be plenty worried. I'm not completely convinced there isn't a degree of unnecessary panic at the moment.

                                          I was only joking

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