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  • J Jolly
    7 Nov 2022, 22:50

    I voted for Trump in 2016. He tried to do what he said he would do, so I voted for him in 2020.

    You want the perfect candidate and you'll lie in your deathbed still waiting for that candidate to come along.

    I'm pleased with Gorsuch, Barrett and Kavanaugh. Not to mention most of the other 200-some odd appointed judges.

    I thought Trump's tax cut was good policy and I think the resulting rising economic tide lifted a lot of boats, particularly in minority communities.

    I think Trump got it right on border security and that would have been better on it except for Dems in Congress and their rabid opposition.

    I thought the Space Force was the right move, and if done properly will cut down on the office war between the Navy and the Air Force.

    I don't agree that Trump screwed up the COVID response. You know what you know when you know it. On that note, I'm willing to overlook some stuff from Biden, particularly early in his Residency.

    I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.

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    Mik
    wrote on 7 Nov 2022, 23:27 last edited by Mik 11 Jul 2022, 23:29
    #68

    @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

    I voted for Trump in 2016. He tried to do what he said he would do, so I voted for him in 2020.

    You want the perfect candidate and you'll lie in your deathbed still waiting for that candidate to come along.

    I'm pleased with Gorsuch, Barrett and Kavanaugh. Not to mention most of the other 200-some odd appointed judges.

    I thought Trump's tax cut was good policy and I think the resulting rising economic tide lifted a lot of boats, particularly in minority communities.

    I think Trump got it right on border security and that would have been better on it except for Dems in Congress and their rabid opposition.

    I thought the Space Force was the right move, and if done properly will cut down on the office war between the Navy and the Air Force.

    I don't agree that Trump screwed up the COVID response. You know what you know when you know it. On that note, I'm willing to overlook some stuff from Biden, particularly early in his Residency.

    I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.

    I agree with that. He pleasantly surprised me. I also don’t think he did badly on Covid. We had a vaccine in nine months. As far as messaging, almost no one got that right.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • J jon-nyc
      7 Nov 2022, 23:25

      @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

      I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.

      I’d be curious how you might list, say, the top 5 successes and top 5 failures of his presidential term. No need to put them in order, just list 5 of each.

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      Jolly
      wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 00:06 last edited by
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      @jon-nyc said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

      @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

      I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.

      I’d be curious how you might list, say, the top 5 successes and top 5 failures of his presidential term. No need to put them in order, just list 5 of each.

      I think I've given you the major successes, with the exception of prison reform. I don't think he gets nearly enough credit for that. I think thumping ISIS was pretty decent, but I wouldn't put it in the top five. His eradication of a lot of Federal regulations was also an accomplishment.

      Failures?

      Not killing Obamacare, although John-I-never-met-a-camera-I-didn't-like-McCain sunk that one. But the party let Trump down on that one, too. There should have been a workable bill, ready to go, to replace O-care.

      Trump gets blamed for Charlottesville, but that's a media created failing. He never said what the media and Dems attributed to him. I think where he did come up short was his difficulty handling the George Floyd situation. Trump is good at being divisive and shaking things up, he's not as good at being healer-in-chief.

      I think Trump failed at getting a major infrastructure bill passed. Again, the devil was in the details, and it politically was shot down by partisan bickering. Trump couldn't get the deal cut.

      Lastly, a lot of people talk about the loss of American prestige and call that one of Trump's failures. Maybe so, but it's one I don't give a rat's ass about.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • J Jolly
        8 Nov 2022, 00:06

        @jon-nyc said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

        @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

        I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.

        I’d be curious how you might list, say, the top 5 successes and top 5 failures of his presidential term. No need to put them in order, just list 5 of each.

        I think I've given you the major successes, with the exception of prison reform. I don't think he gets nearly enough credit for that. I think thumping ISIS was pretty decent, but I wouldn't put it in the top five. His eradication of a lot of Federal regulations was also an accomplishment.

        Failures?

        Not killing Obamacare, although John-I-never-met-a-camera-I-didn't-like-McCain sunk that one. But the party let Trump down on that one, too. There should have been a workable bill, ready to go, to replace O-care.

        Trump gets blamed for Charlottesville, but that's a media created failing. He never said what the media and Dems attributed to him. I think where he did come up short was his difficulty handling the George Floyd situation. Trump is good at being divisive and shaking things up, he's not as good at being healer-in-chief.

        I think Trump failed at getting a major infrastructure bill passed. Again, the devil was in the details, and it politically was shot down by partisan bickering. Trump couldn't get the deal cut.

        Lastly, a lot of people talk about the loss of American prestige and call that one of Trump's failures. Maybe so, but it's one I don't give a rat's ass about.

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        taiwan_girl
        wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 00:39 last edited by
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        @Jolly When it comes to politics, biases are at the forward part.

        For example, you list President Trump failures, but caveat them by saying that they were really caused by something else. However, his successes were only because of him.

        I am sure that @Axe would say the same thing about President Biden. The success were due to him, failures were because of external forces.

        An interesting article I read a while ago. Pretty obvious and I think that people here on this forum board are at least aware of how biases play into their perception of a candidate.
        https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/06/study-finds-political-bias-skews-perceptions-of-verifiable-fact/

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        • J Jolly
          8 Nov 2022, 00:06

          @jon-nyc said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

          @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

          I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.

          I’d be curious how you might list, say, the top 5 successes and top 5 failures of his presidential term. No need to put them in order, just list 5 of each.

          I think I've given you the major successes, with the exception of prison reform. I don't think he gets nearly enough credit for that. I think thumping ISIS was pretty decent, but I wouldn't put it in the top five. His eradication of a lot of Federal regulations was also an accomplishment.

          Failures?

          Not killing Obamacare, although John-I-never-met-a-camera-I-didn't-like-McCain sunk that one. But the party let Trump down on that one, too. There should have been a workable bill, ready to go, to replace O-care.

          Trump gets blamed for Charlottesville, but that's a media created failing. He never said what the media and Dems attributed to him. I think where he did come up short was his difficulty handling the George Floyd situation. Trump is good at being divisive and shaking things up, he's not as good at being healer-in-chief.

          I think Trump failed at getting a major infrastructure bill passed. Again, the devil was in the details, and it politically was shot down by partisan bickering. Trump couldn't get the deal cut.

          Lastly, a lot of people talk about the loss of American prestige and call that one of Trump's failures. Maybe so, but it's one I don't give a rat's ass about.

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 13:45 last edited by jon-nyc 11 Aug 2022, 14:23
          #71

          Yeah that is the problem with these exercises. The president is almost never solely responsible for things, which allows his allies room to cut him slack when necessary. At the same time, his allies have room to give him credit for anything during which he had the good fortune to preside.

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            Axtremus
            wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 20:32 last edited by
            #72

            Trump says he voted for DeSantis for Florida's Governorship:

            https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3725123-trump-says-he-voted-for-desantis/

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              Axtremus
              wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 23:08 last edited by
              #73

              https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-senate-republican-leadership-change-warns-potential-2024-gop-candidates-against-running

              Trump warns other GOP candidates against running, particularly DeSantis:
              ...
              ... "I don’t know if [Ron DeSantis] is running. I think if he runs, he could hurt himself very badly. I really believe he could hurt himself badly," Trump said. "I think he would be making a mistake, I think the base would not like it — I don’t think it would be good for the party."
              ...
              Trump did say that if DeSantis does run, "I would tell you things about him that won’t be very flattering — I know more about him than anybody — other than, perhaps, his wife."
              ...

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                Mik
                wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 23:20 last edited by
                #74

                There’s a good reason to vote for Ron, right there

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 23:23 last edited by
                  #75

                  Preemptive strike.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    George K
                    wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 23:30 last edited by
                    #76

                    Can't find it right now, but yesterday I saw a poll of Georgia voters.

                    They pick DiSantis over Trump by a 2-1 margin.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 23:36 last edited by
                      #77

                      It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • M Mik
                        8 Nov 2022, 23:36

                        It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.

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                        LuFins Dad
                        wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 23:40 last edited by
                        #78

                        @Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                        It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.

                        If it was Trump vs Manchin?

                        The Brad

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                        • M Mik
                          8 Nov 2022, 23:36

                          It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on 8 Nov 2022, 23:50 last edited by
                          #79

                          @Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                          It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.

                          I would freaking love seeing Trump getting beaten in the Primaries. And I have this vague feeling that I’m not alone.

                          I was only joking

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                          • D Doctor Phibes
                            8 Nov 2022, 23:50

                            @Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                            It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.

                            I would freaking love seeing Trump getting beaten in the Primaries. And I have this vague feeling that I’m not alone.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 00:03 last edited by
                            #80

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                            I would freaking love seeing Trump getting beaten in the Primaries. And I have this vague feeling that I’m not alone.

                            You're not.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • J Jolly
                              8 Nov 2022, 23:23

                              Preemptive strike.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 01:05 last edited by
                              #81

                              @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                              Preemptive strike.

                              The fat man is worried.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 01:25 last edited by
                                #82

                                Is French right? What’s the counter argument?

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                • J Jolly
                                  8 Nov 2022, 23:23

                                  Preemptive strike.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 01:33 last edited by Renauda 11 Sept 2022, 01:36
                                  #83

                                  @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                  Preemptive strike.

                                  No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.

                                  He will wear it.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • R Renauda
                                    9 Nov 2022, 01:33

                                    @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                    Preemptive strike.

                                    No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.

                                    He will wear it.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 01:41 last edited by
                                    #84

                                    @Renauda said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                    He shat himself.
                                    He will wear it.

                                    Now there's a mental image that I'll never be able to erase.

                                    Thanks.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • R Renauda
                                      9 Nov 2022, 01:33

                                      @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                      Preemptive strike.

                                      No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.

                                      He will wear it.

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                                      Doctor Phibes
                                      wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 01:46 last edited by
                                      #85

                                      @Renauda said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                      @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                      Preemptive strike.

                                      No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.

                                      He will wear it.

                                      For most people, that would not be an enjoyable experience. For Trump, I’m not so sure.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • D Doctor Phibes
                                        9 Nov 2022, 01:46

                                        @Renauda said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                        @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                        Preemptive strike.

                                        No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.

                                        He will wear it.

                                        For most people, that would not be an enjoyable experience. For Trump, I’m not so sure.

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 02:28 last edited by
                                        #86

                                        @Doctor-Phibes

                                        Like most unpotty trained toddlers, he is mirthfully oblivious to the soil in his nappy.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • R Renauda
                                          9 Nov 2022, 02:28

                                          @Doctor-Phibes

                                          Like most unpotty trained toddlers, he is mirthfully oblivious to the soil in his nappy.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 9 Nov 2022, 02:30 last edited by
                                          #87

                                          @Renauda said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                          Like most unpotty trained toddlers, he is mirthfully oblivious to the soil in his nappy.

                                          OK, that mental image just displaced the one I mentioned earlier.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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