Trump vs. DeSantis
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@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.
I’d be curious how you might list, say, the top 5 successes and top 5 failures of his presidential term. No need to put them in order, just list 5 of each.
@jon-nyc said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.
I’d be curious how you might list, say, the top 5 successes and top 5 failures of his presidential term. No need to put them in order, just list 5 of each.
I think I've given you the major successes, with the exception of prison reform. I don't think he gets nearly enough credit for that. I think thumping ISIS was pretty decent, but I wouldn't put it in the top five. His eradication of a lot of Federal regulations was also an accomplishment.
Failures?
Not killing Obamacare, although John-I-never-met-a-camera-I-didn't-like-McCain sunk that one. But the party let Trump down on that one, too. There should have been a workable bill, ready to go, to replace O-care.
Trump gets blamed for Charlottesville, but that's a media created failing. He never said what the media and Dems attributed to him. I think where he did come up short was his difficulty handling the George Floyd situation. Trump is good at being divisive and shaking things up, he's not as good at being healer-in-chief.
I think Trump failed at getting a major infrastructure bill passed. Again, the devil was in the details, and it politically was shot down by partisan bickering. Trump couldn't get the deal cut.
Lastly, a lot of people talk about the loss of American prestige and call that one of Trump's failures. Maybe so, but it's one I don't give a rat's ass about.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@jon-nyc said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.
I’d be curious how you might list, say, the top 5 successes and top 5 failures of his presidential term. No need to put them in order, just list 5 of each.
I think I've given you the major successes, with the exception of prison reform. I don't think he gets nearly enough credit for that. I think thumping ISIS was pretty decent, but I wouldn't put it in the top five. His eradication of a lot of Federal regulations was also an accomplishment.
Failures?
Not killing Obamacare, although John-I-never-met-a-camera-I-didn't-like-McCain sunk that one. But the party let Trump down on that one, too. There should have been a workable bill, ready to go, to replace O-care.
Trump gets blamed for Charlottesville, but that's a media created failing. He never said what the media and Dems attributed to him. I think where he did come up short was his difficulty handling the George Floyd situation. Trump is good at being divisive and shaking things up, he's not as good at being healer-in-chief.
I think Trump failed at getting a major infrastructure bill passed. Again, the devil was in the details, and it politically was shot down by partisan bickering. Trump couldn't get the deal cut.
Lastly, a lot of people talk about the loss of American prestige and call that one of Trump's failures. Maybe so, but it's one I don't give a rat's ass about.
@Jolly When it comes to politics, biases are at the forward part.
For example, you list President Trump failures, but caveat them by saying that they were really caused by something else. However, his successes were only because of him.
I am sure that @Axe would say the same thing about President Biden. The success were due to him, failures were because of external forces.
An interesting article I read a while ago. Pretty obvious and I think that people here on this forum board are at least aware of how biases play into their perception of a candidate.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/06/study-finds-political-bias-skews-perceptions-of-verifiable-fact/ -
@jon-nyc said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.
I’d be curious how you might list, say, the top 5 successes and top 5 failures of his presidential term. No need to put them in order, just list 5 of each.
I think I've given you the major successes, with the exception of prison reform. I don't think he gets nearly enough credit for that. I think thumping ISIS was pretty decent, but I wouldn't put it in the top five. His eradication of a lot of Federal regulations was also an accomplishment.
Failures?
Not killing Obamacare, although John-I-never-met-a-camera-I-didn't-like-McCain sunk that one. But the party let Trump down on that one, too. There should have been a workable bill, ready to go, to replace O-care.
Trump gets blamed for Charlottesville, but that's a media created failing. He never said what the media and Dems attributed to him. I think where he did come up short was his difficulty handling the George Floyd situation. Trump is good at being divisive and shaking things up, he's not as good at being healer-in-chief.
I think Trump failed at getting a major infrastructure bill passed. Again, the devil was in the details, and it politically was shot down by partisan bickering. Trump couldn't get the deal cut.
Lastly, a lot of people talk about the loss of American prestige and call that one of Trump's failures. Maybe so, but it's one I don't give a rat's ass about.
Yeah that is the problem with these exercises. The president is almost never solely responsible for things, which allows his allies room to cut him slack when necessary. At the same time, his allies have room to give him credit for anything during which he had the good fortune to preside.
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Trump says he voted for DeSantis for Florida's Governorship:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3725123-trump-says-he-voted-for-desantis/
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Trump warns other GOP candidates against running, particularly DeSantis:
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... "I don’t know if [Ron DeSantis] is running. I think if he runs, he could hurt himself very badly. I really believe he could hurt himself badly," Trump said. "I think he would be making a mistake, I think the base would not like it — I don’t think it would be good for the party."
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Trump did say that if DeSantis does run, "I would tell you things about him that won’t be very flattering — I know more about him than anybody — other than, perhaps, his wife."
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Preemptive strike.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.
@Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.
If it was Trump vs Manchin?
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It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.
@Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.
I would freaking love seeing Trump getting beaten in the Primaries. And I have this vague feeling that I’m not alone.
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@Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.
I would freaking love seeing Trump getting beaten in the Primaries. And I have this vague feeling that I’m not alone.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
I would freaking love seeing Trump getting beaten in the Primaries. And I have this vague feeling that I’m not alone.
You're not.
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@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
Preemptive strike.
No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.
He will wear it.
Elbows up!
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@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
Preemptive strike.
No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.
He will wear it.
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@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
Preemptive strike.
No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.
He will wear it.
@Renauda said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
Preemptive strike.
No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.
He will wear it.
For most people, that would not be an enjoyable experience. For Trump, I’m not so sure.
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@Renauda said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
@Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:
Preemptive strike.
No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.
He will wear it.
For most people, that would not be an enjoyable experience. For Trump, I’m not so sure.
Like most unpotty trained toddlers, he is mirthfully oblivious to the soil in his nappy.
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Like most unpotty trained toddlers, he is mirthfully oblivious to the soil in his nappy.
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DeSantis supporters were chanting “Two More Years!” at his rally tonight.
