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  • JollyJ Jolly

    @jon-nyc said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

    @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

    I find it amazing that Trump's overall Presidency was a success, given the almost total opposition in the media, the absolute whoring out of the FBI and Justice, and the maniacal opposition of the Left.

    I’d be curious how you might list, say, the top 5 successes and top 5 failures of his presidential term. No need to put them in order, just list 5 of each.

    I think I've given you the major successes, with the exception of prison reform. I don't think he gets nearly enough credit for that. I think thumping ISIS was pretty decent, but I wouldn't put it in the top five. His eradication of a lot of Federal regulations was also an accomplishment.

    Failures?

    Not killing Obamacare, although John-I-never-met-a-camera-I-didn't-like-McCain sunk that one. But the party let Trump down on that one, too. There should have been a workable bill, ready to go, to replace O-care.

    Trump gets blamed for Charlottesville, but that's a media created failing. He never said what the media and Dems attributed to him. I think where he did come up short was his difficulty handling the George Floyd situation. Trump is good at being divisive and shaking things up, he's not as good at being healer-in-chief.

    I think Trump failed at getting a major infrastructure bill passed. Again, the devil was in the details, and it politically was shot down by partisan bickering. Trump couldn't get the deal cut.

    Lastly, a lot of people talk about the loss of American prestige and call that one of Trump's failures. Maybe so, but it's one I don't give a rat's ass about.

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    jon-nyc
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    #71

    Yeah that is the problem with these exercises. The president is almost never solely responsible for things, which allows his allies room to cut him slack when necessary. At the same time, his allies have room to give him credit for anything during which he had the good fortune to preside.

    Only non-witches get due process.

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      #72

      Trump says he voted for DeSantis for Florida's Governorship:

      https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3725123-trump-says-he-voted-for-desantis/

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        #73

        https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-senate-republican-leadership-change-warns-potential-2024-gop-candidates-against-running

        Trump warns other GOP candidates against running, particularly DeSantis:
        ...
        ... "I don’t know if [Ron DeSantis] is running. I think if he runs, he could hurt himself very badly. I really believe he could hurt himself badly," Trump said. "I think he would be making a mistake, I think the base would not like it — I don’t think it would be good for the party."
        ...
        Trump did say that if DeSantis does run, "I would tell you things about him that won’t be very flattering — I know more about him than anybody — other than, perhaps, his wife."
        ...

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          Mik
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          #74

          There’s a good reason to vote for Ron, right there

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #75

            Preemptive strike.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #76

              Can't find it right now, but yesterday I saw a poll of Georgia voters.

              They pick DiSantis over Trump by a 2-1 margin.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #77

                It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.

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                  LuFins Dad
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                  #78

                  @Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                  It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.

                  If it was Trump vs Manchin?

                  The Brad

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                  • MikM Mik

                    It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #79

                    @Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                    It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.

                    I would freaking love seeing Trump getting beaten in the Primaries. And I have this vague feeling that I’m not alone.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @Mik said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                      It’s pretty universal here too. I absolutely will not vote for him in the primaries. I’d have to see who the Dems offer up in the general.

                      I would freaking love seeing Trump getting beaten in the Primaries. And I have this vague feeling that I’m not alone.

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                      George K
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                      #80

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                      I would freaking love seeing Trump getting beaten in the Primaries. And I have this vague feeling that I’m not alone.

                      You're not.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        Preemptive strike.

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                        jon-nyc
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                        #81

                        @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                        Preemptive strike.

                        The fat man is worried.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          jon-nyc
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                          #82

                          Is French right? What’s the counter argument?

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            Preemptive strike.

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                            Renauda
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                            #83

                            @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                            Preemptive strike.

                            No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.

                            He will wear it.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                              Preemptive strike.

                              No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.

                              He will wear it.

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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #84

                              @Renauda said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                              He shat himself.
                              He will wear it.

                              Now there's a mental image that I'll never be able to erase.

                              Thanks.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                Preemptive strike.

                                No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.

                                He will wear it.

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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                #85

                                @Renauda said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                Preemptive strike.

                                No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.

                                He will wear it.

                                For most people, that would not be an enjoyable experience. For Trump, I’m not so sure.

                                I was only joking

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                                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                  @Renauda said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                  @Jolly said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                  Preemptive strike.

                                  No, it’s just another one of his narcissistic brain farts. This time though, he shat himself.

                                  He will wear it.

                                  For most people, that would not be an enjoyable experience. For Trump, I’m not so sure.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #86

                                  @Doctor-Phibes

                                  Like most unpotty trained toddlers, he is mirthfully oblivious to the soil in his nappy.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                                    @Doctor-Phibes

                                    Like most unpotty trained toddlers, he is mirthfully oblivious to the soil in his nappy.

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                                    #87

                                    @Renauda said in Trump vs. DeSantis:

                                    Like most unpotty trained toddlers, he is mirthfully oblivious to the soil in his nappy.

                                    OK, that mental image just displaced the one I mentioned earlier.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      LuFins Dad
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                                      #88

                                      DeSantis supporters were chanting “Two More Years!” at his rally tonight.

                                      The Brad

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                                        89th
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                                        Had no idea DeSantis is only 44, btw.

                                        Last night was big for DeSantis. 2024 should be his to lose unless Trump runs and makes the primary swampy.

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                                          xenon
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #90

                                          The answer could not be more clear for Reps. Do it the DeSantis way. Dems are trying to paint him as a Trump clone - he’s not.

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