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    Mik
    wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 17:10 last edited by
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    https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2022/08/26/govuscourtsflsd6178541021.pdf

    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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    • M Mik
      26 Aug 2022, 17:10

      https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2022/08/26/govuscourtsflsd6178541021.pdf

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      89th
      wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 17:14 last edited by
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      @Mik and those are the most poignant parts, too.

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        Mik
        wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 17:34 last edited by
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        Uh huh. That was my prediction - that they would release nothing that would actually inform us what was really happening.

        They'd better indict and convict, or else Trump will also be 47.

        "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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          89th
          wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 18:17 last edited by
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          I mean, at least there is clarity that this is focused on the classified materials, plus anything else the search found. If any other government employee handled top secret classified information in that manner, they would be in jail. Just to be crystal clear.

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          • 8 89th
            26 Aug 2022, 18:17

            I mean, at least there is clarity that this is focused on the classified materials, plus anything else the search found. If any other government employee handled top secret classified information in that manner, they would be in jail. Just to be crystal clear.

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            George K
            wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 18:26 last edited by
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            @89th said in Redacted I guess:

            If any other government employee handled top secret classified information in that manner

            Or if any other government individual's attorney, right?

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • 8 89th
              26 Aug 2022, 18:17

              I mean, at least there is clarity that this is focused on the classified materials, plus anything else the search found. If any other government employee handled top secret classified information in that manner, they would be in jail. Just to be crystal clear.

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              Jolly
              wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 20:01 last edited by
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              @89th said in Redacted I guess:

              I mean, at least there is clarity that this is focused on the classified materials, plus anything else the search found. If any other government employee handled top secret classified information in that manner, they would be in jail. Just to be crystal clear.

              Better back up, cowboy.

              I've heard at least three different lawyers (including Turley) talk about how broad this warrant is and how it should have never been signed off on.

              Now, if that's the truth, it means this was definitely a fishing expedition. I'm sorry, but we don't do that with a former President in this country. Maybe in a banana republic, but not in America.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 20:48 last edited by jon-nyc
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                They obviously aren’t going to tell the targets of the investigation what exactly they know, especially if a potential target has, well, a contentious relationship with the truth.

                They also would not want to out their source inside Mar Al Lago.

                Also remember the targets of the investigation probably include people other than trump. It wouldn’t be ok to release that info since they wouldn’t have had a chance to object first.

                All that leads to a lot of redactions. Pretty much everything we really want to know.

                But it will likely come out if there’s an indictment.

                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                  26 Aug 2022, 20:48

                  They obviously aren’t going to tell the targets of the investigation what exactly they know, especially if a potential target has, well, a contentious relationship with the truth.

                  They also would not want to out their source inside Mar Al Lago.

                  Also remember the targets of the investigation probably include people other than trump. It wouldn’t be ok to release that info since they wouldn’t have had a chance to object first.

                  All that leads to a lot of redactions. Pretty much everything we really want to know.

                  But it will likely come out if there’s an indictment.

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                  Copper
                  wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 21:47 last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc said in Redacted I guess:

                  They obviously aren’t going to tell the targets of the investigation what exactly they know

                  Aren't they required to?

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                  • C Copper
                    26 Aug 2022, 21:47

                    @jon-nyc said in Redacted I guess:

                    They obviously aren’t going to tell the targets of the investigation what exactly they know

                    Aren't they required to?

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 23:17 last edited by
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                    @Copper

                    No.

                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    • J jon-nyc
                      26 Aug 2022, 23:17

                      @Copper

                      No.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 23:21 last edited by
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                      @jon-nyc said in Redacted I guess:

                      @Copper

                      No.

                      THat's up to a grand jury, right?

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • J Jolly
                        26 Aug 2022, 20:01

                        @89th said in Redacted I guess:

                        I mean, at least there is clarity that this is focused on the classified materials, plus anything else the search found. If any other government employee handled top secret classified information in that manner, they would be in jail. Just to be crystal clear.

                        Better back up, cowboy.

                        I've heard at least three different lawyers (including Turley) talk about how broad this warrant is and how it should have never been signed off on.

                        Now, if that's the truth, it means this was definitely a fishing expedition. I'm sorry, but we don't do that with a former President in this country. Maybe in a banana republic, but not in America.

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                        89th
                        wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 23:27 last edited by
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                        @Jolly said in Redacted I guess:

                        @89th said in Redacted I guess:

                        I mean, at least there is clarity that this is focused on the classified materials, plus anything else the search found. If any other government employee handled top secret classified information in that manner, they would be in jail. Just to be crystal clear.

                        Better back up, cowboy.

                        If we ever grab drinks in person I’ll tell you how I know.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 23:43 last edited by
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                          LOL...

                          FbHqEH0VUAAT8IJ.jpeg

                          That said, it's not surprising that Trump is demanding that ALL of the affidavit be released, unredacted, knowing that that will never happen because of security issues.

                          He's pandering.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 23:51 last edited by
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                            Yep.

                            And raking in campaign money with both hands.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              26 Aug 2022, 23:27

                              @Jolly said in Redacted I guess:

                              @89th said in Redacted I guess:

                              I mean, at least there is clarity that this is focused on the classified materials, plus anything else the search found. If any other government employee handled top secret classified information in that manner, they would be in jail. Just to be crystal clear.

                              Better back up, cowboy.

                              If we ever grab drinks in person I’ll tell you how I know.

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on 26 Aug 2022, 23:56 last edited by
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                              @89th said in Redacted I guess:

                              @Jolly said in Redacted I guess:

                              @89th said in Redacted I guess:

                              I mean, at least there is clarity that this is focused on the classified materials, plus anything else the search found. If any other government employee handled top secret classified information in that manner, they would be in jail. Just to be crystal clear.

                              Better back up, cowboy.

                              If we ever grab drinks in person I’ll tell you how I know.

                              If we ever have drinks in person, I'll tell you about the body a FBI agent dumped in the Mississippi.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • G George K
                                26 Aug 2022, 23:43

                                LOL...

                                FbHqEH0VUAAT8IJ.jpeg

                                That said, it's not surprising that Trump is demanding that ALL of the affidavit be released, unredacted, knowing that that will never happen because of security issues.

                                He's pandering.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 27 Aug 2022, 00:14 last edited by
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                                @George-K said in Redacted I guess:

                                LOL...

                                FbHqEH0VUAAT8IJ.jpeg

                                That said, it's not surprising that Trump is demanding that ALL of the affidavit be released, unredacted, knowing that that will never happen because of security issues.

                                He's pandering.

                                It’s a balancing act. They actually tampered down the volume of the requests for release. They want to be seen as aggrieved victims but they don’t want the actual accusations known.

                                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on 27 Aug 2022, 13:49 last edited by
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                                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 27 Aug 2022, 14:40 last edited by
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                                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 27 Aug 2022, 14:47 last edited by
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                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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