Mar-a-Lago raided
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wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 12:25 last edited by
It’s always the cover up.
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https://apnews.com/article/mar-a-lago-government-and-politics-1fef158c3a66bfc0ba6224570753ba47
Why didn't Trump just burn it all?
wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 12:27 last edited by Catseye3@89th
Because then there'd be no story.As a thought experiment, imagine if the whole documents thing never happened. Trump took nothing with him, no DOJ attention, nothing. Would he be in the news right now?
There's nothing else going on with him, is there?
Is it possible he set this whole thing in motion to get himself in the headlines? I'm not saying it's so, I have no idea, but it would make sense. If I'm right, look for the end game to be Trump vindicated and triumphant over the bad bad government. Which he will fix if you elect him.
Remember, he always finds a way to win.
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https://apnews.com/article/mar-a-lago-government-and-politics-1fef158c3a66bfc0ba6224570753ba47
Why didn't Trump just burn it all?
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Really if the fat man had just cooperated like Hilary did he wouldn’t be in this spot. It’s the deception and lies to the Feds that led to this.
wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 12:33 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Really if the fat man had just cooperated like Hilary did he wouldn’t be in this spot. It’s the deception and lies to the Feds that led to this.
An attorney looks at this (good thread):
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wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 14:08 last edited by
If he had cooperated like Hillary, he would already be in jail.
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wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 14:26 last edited by
Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?
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wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 14:29 last edited by
Not to mention that cooperation would have turned this into a non-story, and he wanted a story to bolster his swamp-victim narrative.
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Not to mention that cooperation would have turned this into a non-story, and he wanted a story to bolster his swamp-victim narrative.
wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 14:32 last edited by@Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
swamp-victim narrative.
Lord Farquaad wasn't the victim. I think he misunderstood that movie.
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Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?
wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 14:33 last edited by@Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?
Forget about “cooperation.” Simply following the law would be nice.
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wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 14:46 last edited by
It was that very image that struck Doocy, as he asked the Fox & Friends director to bring it back up on screen for viewers to see.
“Keep in mind, according to the filing, the agents found three classified documents in Donald Trump’s desks,” Doocy noted with a level of shock. “What were they (the documents) doing in the desk?!”
“And when you look at these particular things right here, at least five yellow folders marked top secret and another secret SCI —that stands for sensitive compartmentalized information — these are the biggest secrets in the world!” Doocy continued — sharing a level of stunned disbelief that any reasonable person might have.
“We have heard that Donald Trump’s lawyers went through all the stuff, but how could you go and look at that and not think, you know what? That’s probably something I should turn back over,” Doocy added.
“His attorneys were asked about this, and he said he had already ordered them to be declassified,” Ainsley Earhardt defended the former president, adding, “They were taken to Mar-a-Lago when he was president.”
But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.
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It was that very image that struck Doocy, as he asked the Fox & Friends director to bring it back up on screen for viewers to see.
“Keep in mind, according to the filing, the agents found three classified documents in Donald Trump’s desks,” Doocy noted with a level of shock. “What were they (the documents) doing in the desk?!”
“And when you look at these particular things right here, at least five yellow folders marked top secret and another secret SCI —that stands for sensitive compartmentalized information — these are the biggest secrets in the world!” Doocy continued — sharing a level of stunned disbelief that any reasonable person might have.
“We have heard that Donald Trump’s lawyers went through all the stuff, but how could you go and look at that and not think, you know what? That’s probably something I should turn back over,” Doocy added.
“His attorneys were asked about this, and he said he had already ordered them to be declassified,” Ainsley Earhardt defended the former president, adding, “They were taken to Mar-a-Lago when he was president.”
But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.
wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 15:14 last edited by@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.
That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.
That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.
wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 15:26 last edited by@Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.
There seems to be a fair bit of controversy over this. Can POTUS, with the wave of his hand, declassify a document, or simply say, "That's not classified?"
Perhaps (though I doubt it).
And even if he could, shouldn't there be a record of said declassification?
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It was that very image that struck Doocy, as he asked the Fox & Friends director to bring it back up on screen for viewers to see.
“Keep in mind, according to the filing, the agents found three classified documents in Donald Trump’s desks,” Doocy noted with a level of shock. “What were they (the documents) doing in the desk?!”
“And when you look at these particular things right here, at least five yellow folders marked top secret and another secret SCI —that stands for sensitive compartmentalized information — these are the biggest secrets in the world!” Doocy continued — sharing a level of stunned disbelief that any reasonable person might have.
“We have heard that Donald Trump’s lawyers went through all the stuff, but how could you go and look at that and not think, you know what? That’s probably something I should turn back over,” Doocy added.
“His attorneys were asked about this, and he said he had already ordered them to be declassified,” Ainsley Earhardt defended the former president, adding, “They were taken to Mar-a-Lago when he was president.”
But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.
wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 16:28 last edited by@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
It was that very image that struck Doocy, as he asked the Fox & Friends director to bring it back up on screen for viewers to see.
“Keep in mind, according to the filing, the agents found three classified documents in Donald Trump’s desks,” Doocy noted with a level of shock. “What were they (the documents) doing in the desk?!”
“And when you look at these particular things right here, at least five yellow folders marked top secret and another secret SCI —that stands for sensitive compartmentalized information — these are the biggest secrets in the world!” Doocy continued — sharing a level of stunned disbelief that any reasonable person might have.
“We have heard that Donald Trump’s lawyers went through all the stuff, but how could you go and look at that and not think, you know what? That’s probably something I should turn back over,” Doocy added.
“His attorneys were asked about this, and he said he had already ordered them to be declassified,” Ainsley Earhardt defended the former president, adding, “They were taken to Mar-a-Lago when he was president.”
But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.
Yup, Doocy is right. The Trump defense is quite laughable at the moment.
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@Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.
There seems to be a fair bit of controversy over this. Can POTUS, with the wave of his hand, declassify a document, or simply say, "That's not classified?"
Perhaps (though I doubt it).
And even if he could, shouldn't there be a record of said declassification?
wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 16:31 last edited by@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.
There seems to be a fair bit of controversy over this. Can POTUS, with the wave of his hand, declassify a document, or simply say, "That's not classified?"
Perhaps (though I doubt it).
And even if he could, shouldn't there be a record of said declassification?
Can a President declassify a classified document? Technically yes, although it is rare. And logically, without proof (which is usually a memorandum attached, and a stamp that declares a document declassified, by whom, their authority, and a date), then the document shall be treated as classified by all parties until said proof is rendered.
In short, this seems like Trump being pulled over for speeding but telling the cop "oh, I meant to slow down, so I'm not guilty".
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wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 16:58 last edited by
I thought you chaps didn't like having a King, because last time out you sure picked a bloke who thought he could act like one.
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wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 17:06 last edited by
Classified or declassified, these physical documents are still the property of the US Government that Trump has no business possessing once he left office.
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I thought you chaps didn't like having a King, because last time out you sure picked a bloke who thought he could act like one.
wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 17:18 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
I thought you chaps didn't like having a King, because last time out you sure picked a bloke who thought he could act like one.
Indeed there are many people who are turning many, many blind eyes just because this guy has an R next to his name. Yes, he did many great things, but it doesn't mean he gets a free pass with trying to overturn an election and hoarding classified materials.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
I thought you chaps didn't like having a King, because last time out you sure picked a bloke who thought he could act like one.
Indeed there are many people who are turning many, many blind eyes just because this guy has an R next to his name. Yes, he did many great things, but it doesn't mean he gets a free pass with trying to overturn an election and hoarding classified materials.
wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 17:26 last edited by@89th said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
I thought you chaps didn't like having a King, because last time out you sure picked a bloke who thought he could act like one.
Indeed there are many people who are turning many, many blind eyes just because this guy has an R next to his name. Yes, he did many great things, but it doesn't mean he gets a free pass with trying to overturn an election and hoarding classified materials.
The solid gold shitter should have given it away. Admittedly, that's more like Middle-Eastern fiefdom/brothel than actual royalty, but the mind-set's there....
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@Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?
Forget about “cooperation.” Simply following the law would be nice.
wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 17:27 last edited by@Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?
Forget about “cooperation.” Simply following the law would be nice.
Do you have pom-poms to go along with that cheerleader outfit?
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@Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Simply looking at what the rights of the accused are
As much as it sickens me to say so, I agree his rights must be safeguarded. But his rights as important as they are, are not as vital as the main thing: namely, those documents. They cannot be left out of federal custody, especially when their contents are not known.
Knowing Trump, they could be anything. It would not be surprising if they turned out to be of no importance. Boy, what fodder that would be for Trump, eh?
Why in hell did he even take them with him, anyway? Could it be for the purpose of embarrassing the feds and feeding his base's frenzy? At no cost to him?
The President can declassify whatever he wishes.
As long as he the sitting President, yes, he can declassify documents. He also must make note of those docs while he is sitting POTUS and follow prescribed protocols. He cannot declassify documents that he has in his possession when he is no longer POTUS.
Trump, of course, believes that he is still President. Presumably you and one or two others here, do as well.
For the President, there are no prescribed protocols.
wrote on 31 Aug 2022, 18:04 last edited by@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Simply looking at what the rights of the accused are
As much as it sickens me to say so, I agree his rights must be safeguarded. But his rights as important as they are, are not as vital as the main thing: namely, those documents. They cannot be left out of federal custody, especially when their contents are not known.
Knowing Trump, they could be anything. It would not be surprising if they turned out to be of no importance. Boy, what fodder that would be for Trump, eh?
Why in hell did he even take them with him, anyway? Could it be for the purpose of embarrassing the feds and feeding his base's frenzy? At no cost to him?
The President can declassify whatever he wishes.
As long as he the sitting President, yes, he can declassify documents. He also must make note of those docs while he is sitting POTUS and follow prescribed protocols. He cannot declassify documents that he has in his possession when he is no longer POTUS.
Trump, of course, believes that he is still President. Presumably you and one or two others here, do as well.
For the President, there are no prescribed protocols.
I now remember where I read it.
Like I said, an unimpeachable source (of distraction).