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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #520

    Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Horace
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      #521

      Not to mention that cooperation would have turned this into a non-story, and he wanted a story to bolster his swamp-victim narrative.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • HoraceH Horace

        Not to mention that cooperation would have turned this into a non-story, and he wanted a story to bolster his swamp-victim narrative.

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        Doctor Phibes
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        #522

        @Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

        swamp-victim narrative.

        Lord Farquaad wasn't the victim. I think he misunderstood that movie.

        I was only joking

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        • MikM Mik

          Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?

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          Axtremus
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          #523

          @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?

          Forget about “cooperation.” Simply following the law would be nice.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #524

            Fox:

            It was that very image that struck Doocy, as he asked the Fox & Friends director to bring it back up on screen for viewers to see.

            “Keep in mind, according to the filing, the agents found three classified documents in Donald Trump’s desks,” Doocy noted with a level of shock. “What were they (the documents) doing in the desk?!”

            “And when you look at these particular things right here, at least five yellow folders marked top secret and another secret SCI —that stands for sensitive compartmentalized information — these are the biggest secrets in the world!” Doocy continued — sharing a level of stunned disbelief that any reasonable person might have.

            “We have heard that Donald Trump’s lawyers went through all the stuff, but how could you go and look at that and not think, you know what? That’s probably something I should turn back over,” Doocy added.

            “His attorneys were asked about this, and he said he had already ordered them to be declassified,” Ainsley Earhardt defended the former president, adding, “They were taken to Mar-a-Lago when he was president.”

            But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              Fox:

              It was that very image that struck Doocy, as he asked the Fox & Friends director to bring it back up on screen for viewers to see.

              “Keep in mind, according to the filing, the agents found three classified documents in Donald Trump’s desks,” Doocy noted with a level of shock. “What were they (the documents) doing in the desk?!”

              “And when you look at these particular things right here, at least five yellow folders marked top secret and another secret SCI —that stands for sensitive compartmentalized information — these are the biggest secrets in the world!” Doocy continued — sharing a level of stunned disbelief that any reasonable person might have.

              “We have heard that Donald Trump’s lawyers went through all the stuff, but how could you go and look at that and not think, you know what? That’s probably something I should turn back over,” Doocy added.

              “His attorneys were asked about this, and he said he had already ordered them to be declassified,” Ainsley Earhardt defended the former president, adding, “They were taken to Mar-a-Lago when he was president.”

              But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.

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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by
              #525

              @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

              But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.

              That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.

                That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.

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                George K
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                #526

                @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.

                There seems to be a fair bit of controversy over this. Can POTUS, with the wave of his hand, declassify a document, or simply say, "That's not classified?"

                Perhaps (though I doubt it).

                And even if he could, shouldn't there be a record of said declassification?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  Fox:

                  It was that very image that struck Doocy, as he asked the Fox & Friends director to bring it back up on screen for viewers to see.

                  “Keep in mind, according to the filing, the agents found three classified documents in Donald Trump’s desks,” Doocy noted with a level of shock. “What were they (the documents) doing in the desk?!”

                  “And when you look at these particular things right here, at least five yellow folders marked top secret and another secret SCI —that stands for sensitive compartmentalized information — these are the biggest secrets in the world!” Doocy continued — sharing a level of stunned disbelief that any reasonable person might have.

                  “We have heard that Donald Trump’s lawyers went through all the stuff, but how could you go and look at that and not think, you know what? That’s probably something I should turn back over,” Doocy added.

                  “His attorneys were asked about this, and he said he had already ordered them to be declassified,” Ainsley Earhardt defended the former president, adding, “They were taken to Mar-a-Lago when he was president.”

                  But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.

                  89th8 Offline
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                  #527

                  @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                  Fox:

                  It was that very image that struck Doocy, as he asked the Fox & Friends director to bring it back up on screen for viewers to see.

                  “Keep in mind, according to the filing, the agents found three classified documents in Donald Trump’s desks,” Doocy noted with a level of shock. “What were they (the documents) doing in the desk?!”

                  “And when you look at these particular things right here, at least five yellow folders marked top secret and another secret SCI —that stands for sensitive compartmentalized information — these are the biggest secrets in the world!” Doocy continued — sharing a level of stunned disbelief that any reasonable person might have.

                  “We have heard that Donald Trump’s lawyers went through all the stuff, but how could you go and look at that and not think, you know what? That’s probably something I should turn back over,” Doocy added.

                  “His attorneys were asked about this, and he said he had already ordered them to be declassified,” Ainsley Earhardt defended the former president, adding, “They were taken to Mar-a-Lago when he was president.”

                  But Doocy, again playing the part of the voice of reason, added that there is an accepted protocol for declassifying documents that Trump and his team did not follow, rendering that defense moot.

                  Yup, Doocy is right. The Trump defense is quite laughable at the moment.

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                  • George KG George K

                    @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.

                    There seems to be a fair bit of controversy over this. Can POTUS, with the wave of his hand, declassify a document, or simply say, "That's not classified?"

                    Perhaps (though I doubt it).

                    And even if he could, shouldn't there be a record of said declassification?

                    89th8 Offline
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                    89th
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #528

                    @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                    That’s odd. I read somewhere, can’t recall where mind you, but I am sure it was an unimpeachable source, that the POTUS does not have to follow a protocol in these matters. Not sure if this exemption included an accepted protocol as referenced above.

                    There seems to be a fair bit of controversy over this. Can POTUS, with the wave of his hand, declassify a document, or simply say, "That's not classified?"

                    Perhaps (though I doubt it).

                    And even if he could, shouldn't there be a record of said declassification?

                    Can a President declassify a classified document? Technically yes, although it is rare. And logically, without proof (which is usually a memorandum attached, and a stamp that declares a document declassified, by whom, their authority, and a date), then the document shall be treated as classified by all parties until said proof is rendered.

                    In short, this seems like Trump being pulled over for speeding but telling the cop "oh, I meant to slow down, so I'm not guilty".

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #529

                      I thought you chaps didn't like having a King, because last time out you sure picked a bloke who thought he could act like one.

                      I was only joking

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                        Axtremus
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                        #530

                        Classified or declassified, these physical documents are still the property of the US Government that Trump has no business possessing once he left office.

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          I thought you chaps didn't like having a King, because last time out you sure picked a bloke who thought he could act like one.

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                          @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                          I thought you chaps didn't like having a King, because last time out you sure picked a bloke who thought he could act like one.

                          Indeed there are many people who are turning many, many blind eyes just because this guy has an R next to his name. Yes, he did many great things, but it doesn't mean he gets a free pass with trying to overturn an election and hoarding classified materials.

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                          • 89th8 89th

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                            I thought you chaps didn't like having a King, because last time out you sure picked a bloke who thought he could act like one.

                            Indeed there are many people who are turning many, many blind eyes just because this guy has an R next to his name. Yes, he did many great things, but it doesn't mean he gets a free pass with trying to overturn an election and hoarding classified materials.

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                            Doctor Phibes
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                            #532

                            @89th said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                            I thought you chaps didn't like having a King, because last time out you sure picked a bloke who thought he could act like one.

                            Indeed there are many people who are turning many, many blind eyes just because this guy has an R next to his name. Yes, he did many great things, but it doesn't mean he gets a free pass with trying to overturn an election and hoarding classified materials.

                            The solid gold shitter should have given it away. Admittedly, that's more like Middle-Eastern fiefdom/brothel than actual royalty, but the mind-set's there....

                            I was only joking

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                              Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?

                              Forget about “cooperation.” Simply following the law would be nice.

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                              Jolly
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                              #533

                              @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                              @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                              Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?

                              Forget about “cooperation.” Simply following the law would be nice.

                              Do you have pom-poms to go along with that cheerleader outfit?

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                @Jolly

                                @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                Simply looking at what the rights of the accused are

                                As much as it sickens me to say so, I agree his rights must be safeguarded. But his rights as important as they are, are not as vital as the main thing: namely, those documents. They cannot be left out of federal custody, especially when their contents are not known.

                                Knowing Trump, they could be anything. It would not be surprising if they turned out to be of no importance. Boy, what fodder that would be for Trump, eh?

                                Why in hell did he even take them with him, anyway? Could it be for the purpose of embarrassing the feds and feeding his base's frenzy? At no cost to him?

                                The President can declassify whatever he wishes.

                                As long as he the sitting President, yes, he can declassify documents. He also must make note of those docs while he is sitting POTUS and follow prescribed protocols. He cannot declassify documents that he has in his possession when he is no longer POTUS.

                                Trump, of course, believes that he is still President. Presumably you and one or two others here, do as well.

                                For the President, there are no prescribed protocols.

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                                Renauda
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                                #534

                                @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                @Jolly

                                @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                Simply looking at what the rights of the accused are

                                As much as it sickens me to say so, I agree his rights must be safeguarded. But his rights as important as they are, are not as vital as the main thing: namely, those documents. They cannot be left out of federal custody, especially when their contents are not known.

                                Knowing Trump, they could be anything. It would not be surprising if they turned out to be of no importance. Boy, what fodder that would be for Trump, eh?

                                Why in hell did he even take them with him, anyway? Could it be for the purpose of embarrassing the feds and feeding his base's frenzy? At no cost to him?

                                The President can declassify whatever he wishes.

                                As long as he the sitting President, yes, he can declassify documents. He also must make note of those docs while he is sitting POTUS and follow prescribed protocols. He cannot declassify documents that he has in his possession when he is no longer POTUS.

                                Trump, of course, believes that he is still President. Presumably you and one or two others here, do as well.

                                For the President, there are no prescribed protocols.

                                I now remember where I read it.

                                Like I said, an unimpeachable source (of distraction).

                                Elbows up!

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                                • RenaudaR Renauda

                                  @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  @Renauda said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  @Jolly

                                  @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                  Simply looking at what the rights of the accused are

                                  As much as it sickens me to say so, I agree his rights must be safeguarded. But his rights as important as they are, are not as vital as the main thing: namely, those documents. They cannot be left out of federal custody, especially when their contents are not known.

                                  Knowing Trump, they could be anything. It would not be surprising if they turned out to be of no importance. Boy, what fodder that would be for Trump, eh?

                                  Why in hell did he even take them with him, anyway? Could it be for the purpose of embarrassing the feds and feeding his base's frenzy? At no cost to him?

                                  The President can declassify whatever he wishes.

                                  As long as he the sitting President, yes, he can declassify documents. He also must make note of those docs while he is sitting POTUS and follow prescribed protocols. He cannot declassify documents that he has in his possession when he is no longer POTUS.

                                  Trump, of course, believes that he is still President. Presumably you and one or two others here, do as well.

                                  For the President, there are no prescribed protocols.

                                  I now remember where I read it.

                                  Like I said, an unimpeachable source (of distraction).

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                                  @Renauda

                                  I think that was me. I scratched around to find an accurate answer, and was surprised to learn there were no protocols for the president.

                                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                    xenon
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                                    #536

                                    This is so Trump.

                                    There’s no grand conspiracy or much to gain for him with these docs.

                                    He gets in trouble through ignorance and apathy.

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?

                                      Forget about “cooperation.” Simply following the law would be nice.

                                      Do you have pom-poms to go along with that cheerleader outfit?

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                                      Axtremus
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                                      #537

                                      @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      @Mik said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                      Why would he want to cooperate with organizations that have tried to do nothing but harm him for six or seven years?

                                      Forget about “cooperation.” Simply following the law would be nice.

                                      Do you have pom-poms to go along with that cheerleader outfit?

                                      Cheerleading is not illegal, unlike keeping US Government properties that you’re not allowed to keep.

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                                        @Renauda

                                        I think that was me. I scratched around to find an accurate answer, and was surprised to learn there were no protocols for the president.

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                                        Renauda
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                                        #538

                                        @Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                        @Renauda

                                        I think that was me. I scratched around to find an accurate answer, and was surprised to learn there were no protocols for the president.

                                        Don’t think so. This was your link from that point in the argument:

                                        https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/aug/11/could-trump-argue-declassified-documents/

                                        The answer though lies somewhere between posts 316 and 350 of this thread.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          #539

                                          89th may not agree, but I still maintain that a President can declassify a document at will.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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