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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Trump’s current argument seems untenable. If no documentation were required that would give any former POTUS the ability to declassify things for the rest of his life.
Obama could publish the detailed schematics of the Virginia class nuclear fast attack submarines and say “oh, I declassified these in 2007”
Nope, it only gives POTUS the ability to declassify things while he is in office.
As an example...President John Doe is sitting at the Resolute Desk and a widget-expert professor without a TS clearance is brought in to brief the President. The President reaches onto the desk and hands the prof a TS document on a heretofore unknown widget created by DARPA, and asks him to comment.
By his actions, the President has just declassified that document.
I think a lot of this boils down as to when Trump did or did not declassify the documents. I also think it makes a difference what documents they are.
And just as an aside, Trump now says he thinks they took his passport. If so, that's just chickenshit, and speaks volumes.
wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 22:07 last edited by jon-nyc@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Trump’s current argument seems untenable. If no documentation were required that would give any former POTUS the ability to declassify things for the rest of his life.
Obama could publish the detailed schematics of the Virginia class nuclear fast attack submarines and say “oh, I declassified these in 2007”
Nope, it only gives POTUS the ability to declassify things while he is in office.
The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.
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@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Trump’s current argument seems untenable. If no documentation were required that would give any former POTUS the ability to declassify things for the rest of his life.
Obama could publish the detailed schematics of the Virginia class nuclear fast attack submarines and say “oh, I declassified these in 2007”
Nope, it only gives POTUS the ability to declassify things while he is in office.
The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.
wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 22:10 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.
If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.
And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.
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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.
If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.
And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.
wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 22:36 last edited by@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.
To be fair, he probably did learn it very well in the last 50-odd years, but being POTUS isn't the same as being whatever the polite term is for somebody like Trump in the real estate business.
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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.
If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.
And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.
wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 22:39 last edited by@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.
His crack legal team?
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.
His crack legal team?
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wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 22:48 last edited by
Has he joined Trump's team, now?
That's a real step up (for both groups)!
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.
To be fair, he probably did learn it very well in the last 50-odd years, but being POTUS isn't the same as being whatever the polite term is for somebody like Trump in the real estate business.
wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 22:58 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.
To be fair, he probably did learn it very well in the last 50-odd years, but being POTUS isn't the same as being whatever the polite term is for somebody like Trump in the real estate business.
I think the word is, tycoon. It has a somewhat more cache and chic connotation than sales weasel and not nearly as vulgar as shyster.
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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.
If you didn't document it, it didn't happen. You'd think Trump would have learned that after 4 years.
And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.
wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 23:26 last edited by@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.
I'd venture to say his legal team(s) have had plenty of experience in telling him things. He listens only if he perceives listening is in his own best (short term) interests. Otherwise, he walks out of the room.
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
And, in the same vein, you'd think that his legal team would have told him that.
I'd venture to say his legal team(s) have had plenty of experience in telling him things. He listens only if he perceives listening is in his own best (short term) interests. Otherwise, he walks out of the room.
wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 23:40 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
I'd venture to say his legal team(s) have had plenty of experience in telling him things. He listens only if he perceives listening is in his own best (short term) interests. Otherwise, he walks out of the room.
You're Kraken me up!
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wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 00:16 last edited by
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wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 00:17 last edited by
Sounds like identity theft.
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?
And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?
And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???
wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 00:31 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???
The warrant?
The law?
I dunno.
The question you should be asking is "What in the hell possessed them to take it in the first place?"
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@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???
The warrant?
The law?
I dunno.
The question you should be asking is "What in the hell possessed them to take it in the first place?"
wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 00:36 last edited by@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The question you should be asking is "What in the hell possessed them to take it in the first place?"
I vas making teh joke. If they hadn't taken the passports, maybe he would've left.
Get it?
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The question you should be asking is "What in the hell possessed them to take it in the first place?"
I vas making teh joke. If they hadn't taken the passports, maybe he would've left.
Get it?
wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 00:40 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
I vas making teh joke.
Sorry, My second (or is it third?) cheap Scotch of the evening made me miss that, LOL.
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?
And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???
wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 00:56 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?
And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???
Maybe they were hoping he'd leave the country.
Edit - I'm as slow as George, and I can't even blame it on the whisky
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@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
So, why were they taken? Flight risk., LOL?
And what in the hell possessed them to give them back???
Maybe they were hoping he'd leave the country.
Edit - I'm as slow as George, and I can't even blame it on the whisky
wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 01:04 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Edit - I'm as slow as George, and I can't even blame it on the whisky
Wait, I'm slow too. The joke only worked if they'd left the passports in place. Duh.
So we all three are just a bunch of doofikins.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Edit - I'm as slow as George, and I can't even blame it on the whisky
Wait, I'm slow too. The joke only worked if they'd left the passports in place. Duh.
So we all three are just a bunch of doofikins.
wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 01:16 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Edit - I'm as slow as George, and I can't even blame it on the whisky
Wait, I'm slow too. The joke only worked if they'd left the passports in place. Duh.
So we all three are just a bunch of doofikins.
I figured it all out but was too classy to mention what doofikins you all were being.
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@Catseye3 said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Edit - I'm as slow as George, and I can't even blame it on the whisky
Wait, I'm slow too. The joke only worked if they'd left the passports in place. Duh.
So we all three are just a bunch of doofikins.
I figured it all out but was too classy to mention what doofikins you all were being.
wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 01:18 last edited by@Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
I figured it all out but was too classy to mention what doofikins you all were being.
They weren't taking selfies, so your ability to maintain your professionalism is vindicated - again.
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@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Trump’s current argument seems untenable. If no documentation were required that would give any former POTUS the ability to declassify things for the rest of his life.
Obama could publish the detailed schematics of the Virginia class nuclear fast attack submarines and say “oh, I declassified these in 2007”
Nope, it only gives POTUS the ability to declassify things while he is in office.
The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.
wrote on 16 Aug 2022, 01:47 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Trump’s current argument seems untenable. If no documentation were required that would give any former POTUS the ability to declassify things for the rest of his life.
Obama could publish the detailed schematics of the Virginia class nuclear fast attack submarines and say “oh, I declassified these in 2007”
Nope, it only gives POTUS the ability to declassify things while he is in office.
The point is if the decision doesn’t need to be documented there’s be nothing stopping them from doing an ex-post claim. Like Trump is probably doing.
I think all of them do, to one extent or another.
Unless it's something that really affects national security or they took a couple of 8-wheeler loads of documents, let it slide.
