Mar-a-Lago raided
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wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 00:57 last edited by Horace 8 Oct 2022, 00:59
The FBI has been shown to have faked evidence in the past, in its pursuit of Trump. Not that I think it's plausible that they'll do it with this sort of spotlight on the situation, but let's be fair to those who don't trust this process.
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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Yes and for the same reason. Dumb at least.
If you're going to make that kind of statement, you better have iron-clad evidence.
Unless, of course, you're speaking to the public and not the court.
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 00:58 last edited by@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Yes and for the same reason. Dumb at least.
If you're going to make that kind of statement, you better have iron-clad evidence.
Unless, of course, you're speaking to the public and not the court.
It's worth noting that Trump doesn't exactly have a stellar record in his choice of attorneys.
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@George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Yes and for the same reason. Dumb at least.
If you're going to make that kind of statement, you better have iron-clad evidence.
Unless, of course, you're speaking to the public and not the court.
It's worth noting that Trump doesn't exactly have a stellar record in his choice of attorneys.
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 00:59 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
It's worth noting that Trump doesn't exactly have a stellar record in his choice of attorneys.
There are so many responses queued up...
A simple LOL will have to suffice.
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The FBI has been shown to have faked evidence in the past, in its pursuit of Trump. Not that I think it's plausible that they'll do it with this sort of spotlight on the situation, but let's be fair to those who don't trust this process.
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 01:04 last edited by@Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The FBI has been shown to have faked evidence in the past, in its pursuit of Trump. Not that I think it's plausible that they'll do it with this sort of spotlight on the situation, but let's be fair to those who don't trust this process.
That is a charitable argument. I’m curious if you would apply the analogous version of it to the jury in the OJ case too.
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wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 01:05 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Horace - One guy at the DOJ did and got a felony conviction for his efforts.
Right, a lawyer working for the FBI faked some evidence to facilitate an investigation into Trump and Russia.
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@Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The FBI has been shown to have faked evidence in the past, in its pursuit of Trump. Not that I think it's plausible that they'll do it with this sort of spotlight on the situation, but let's be fair to those who don't trust this process.
That is a charitable argument. I’m curious if you would apply the analogous version of it to the jury in the OJ case too.
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 01:08 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The FBI has been shown to have faked evidence in the past, in its pursuit of Trump. Not that I think it's plausible that they'll do it with this sort of spotlight on the situation, but let's be fair to those who don't trust this process.
That is a charitable argument. I’m curious if you would apply the analogous version of it to the jury in the OJ case too.
You quoted me saying I don't think it's plausible that they'll plant evidence in this situation. I am trying to humanize those who might have suspicions in that direction, perhaps unsuccessfully. I'm trying to encourage us all to have more compassion for others. It's important to me, one of my primary principles. Caring for others.
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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
@Horace said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The FBI has been shown to have faked evidence in the past, in its pursuit of Trump. Not that I think it's plausible that they'll do it with this sort of spotlight on the situation, but let's be fair to those who don't trust this process.
That is a charitable argument. I’m curious if you would apply the analogous version of it to the jury in the OJ case too.
You quoted me saying I don't think it's plausible that they'll plant evidence in this situation. I am trying to humanize those who might have suspicions in that direction, perhaps unsuccessfully. I'm trying to encourage us all to have more compassion for others. It's important to me, one of my primary principles. Caring for others.
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wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 02:36 last edited by jon-nyc 8 Oct 2022, 02:41
@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The thing to remember when listening to her is that she knows exactly what the FBI was looking for and why, and presumably what they found, at least of her client’s team is being honest with her.
So the fact that she’s casting aspersions is not a good sign for team Trump. She’s pretending to speak in hypothetical terms, but she almost certainly knows what they found.
Popcorn, please.
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Fair enough. And it’s a charitable view. An analogous argument can be and was used in defense of the OJ jury. I was curious if you’ve applied it to them.
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 02:38 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
Fair enough. And it’s a charitable view. An analogous argument can be and was used in defense of the OJ jury. I was curious if you’ve applied it to them.
What, that people have emotions around bad cop behavior? As an inhabitant of reality, I acknowledge that in all situations.
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wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 03:20 last edited by jon-nyc 8 Oct 2022, 03:26
@Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The Dersh speaks:
I don’t know why people listen to Dersch or Tribe on the left. They’re simply old guys who harvested their former reputation in service of partisan ends. They are literally paid partisan shills.
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@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The thing to remember when listening to her is that she knows exactly what the FBI was looking for and why, and presumably what they found, at least of her client’s team is being honest with her.
So the fact that she’s casting aspersions is not a good sign for team Trump. She’s pretending to speak in hypothetical terms, but she almost certainly knows what they found.
Popcorn, please.
wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 03:38 last edited by jon-nyc 8 Oct 2022, 03:51@jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:
The thing to remember when listening to her is that she knows exactly what the FBI was looking for and why, and presumably what they found, at least of her client’s team is being honest with her.
So the fact that she’s casting aspersions is not a good sign for team Trump. She’s pretending to speak in hypothetical terms, but she almost certainly knows what they found.
Popcorn, please.
Also their messaging pretty much guarantees this isn’t merely about classified docs. After all, they have a defense for that - the president is the ultimate authority on classification and can declassify anything at will.
The “they planted evidence” messaging that they are rolling out means this is about very specific crimes.
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wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 03:43 last edited by
At least the FBI got to sniff Me!ania's panties.
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wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 03:49 last edited by
Didn’t she used to sell them on eBay during her soft porn phase?
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wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 03:49 last edited by
Don't know about that. You bought some?
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wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 03:53 last edited by xenon 8 Oct 2022, 03:54
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wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 04:03 last edited by
The messaging about planted evidence won’t save a 2024 candidacy if the evidence indicates a crime people care about. I suppose TDS sufferers think enough credulous supporters would still show up for him. I doubt that.
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The messaging about planted evidence won’t save a 2024 candidacy if the evidence indicates a crime people care about. I suppose TDS sufferers think enough credulous supporters would still show up for him. I doubt that.