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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 10:30 last edited by
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    Wow. That's big.

    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      Klaus
      wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 11:09 last edited by
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      Any speculation about the background and "why"?

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        Catseye3
        wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 11:18 last edited by
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        Seems very unJapanese.

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          George K
          wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 12:07 last edited by George K 7 Aug 2022, 12:08
          #4

          "A double-barreled device that appeared to be a handmade gun is seen on the ground."

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            8 Jul 2022, 11:18

            Seems very unJapanese.

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 12:19 last edited by
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            @Catseye3 said in Shinzo Abe assassinated:

            Seems very unJapanese.

            I just had a chat with a Japanese colleague who is visiting us this week - he's in shock, this kind of thing is so unusual. He said there's hardly any gun violence, which makes it all the more upsetting.

            I was only joking

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              89th
              wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 13:29 last edited by
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              I read the guy was just upset with the former PM. Who knows why. Also it's a reminder that security detail, as well as they are trained, can very much "fall asleep" at the job, forgetting that a threat can literally walk up behind the PM and shoot him in the back, from about 10 feet away.

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                George K
                wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 14:12 last edited by
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                Spot the difference:

                NPR:

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                More NPR:

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                AP:

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                More AP:

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                The difference is, dare I say, austere.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 14:27 last edited by
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                  I was wondering if there would be genuine interest in this story or if it would only be considered useful insofar as we could work it into local culture war issues.

                  Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 14:40 last edited by
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                    No you didn't. You just made that up. 😆

                    But it is interesting as a view into Japanese politics. Do you think this guy had a serious purpose or he was just another whackadoodle?

                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                    • J jon-nyc
                      8 Jul 2022, 14:27

                      I was wondering if there would be genuine interest in this story or if it would only be considered useful insofar as we could work it into local culture war issues.

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                      Klaus
                      wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 14:42 last edited by
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                      @jon-nyc said in Shinzo Abe assassinated:

                      I was wondering if there would be genuine interest in this story or if it would only be considered useful insofar as we could work it into local culture war issues.

                      I don't have equal insights into all world countries and cultures, but I'd say that this kind of behavior is really particularly pronounced in US politics. Nobody seems to give a damn about anything that happens elsewhere unless it can be used as a tool to support other goals. If you look at "foreign news" sections of US newspapers and compare it with those of other countries, a strong implicit filter becomes visible.

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                      • K Klaus
                        8 Jul 2022, 14:42

                        @jon-nyc said in Shinzo Abe assassinated:

                        I was wondering if there would be genuine interest in this story or if it would only be considered useful insofar as we could work it into local culture war issues.

                        I don't have equal insights into all world countries and cultures, but I'd say that this kind of behavior is really particularly pronounced in US politics. Nobody seems to give a damn about anything that happens elsewhere unless it can be used as a tool to support other goals. If you look at "foreign news" sections of US newspapers and compare it with those of other countries, a strong implicit filter becomes visible.

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                        Axtremus
                        wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 14:45 last edited by
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                        Condolences to to Mr. Abe’s loved ones, friends, and fellow countrymen.

                        @Klaus said in Shinzo Abe assassinated:

                        If you look at "foreign news" sections of US newspapers and compare it with those of other countries, a strong implicit filter becomes visible.

                        I share that sentiment.

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                        • K Klaus
                          8 Jul 2022, 14:42

                          @jon-nyc said in Shinzo Abe assassinated:

                          I was wondering if there would be genuine interest in this story or if it would only be considered useful insofar as we could work it into local culture war issues.

                          I don't have equal insights into all world countries and cultures, but I'd say that this kind of behavior is really particularly pronounced in US politics. Nobody seems to give a damn about anything that happens elsewhere unless it can be used as a tool to support other goals. If you look at "foreign news" sections of US newspapers and compare it with those of other countries, a strong implicit filter becomes visible.

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 14:49 last edited by
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                          @Klaus said in Shinzo Abe assassinated:

                          @jon-nyc said in Shinzo Abe assassinated:

                          I was wondering if there would be genuine interest in this story or if it would only be considered useful insofar as we could work it into local culture war issues.

                          I don't have equal insights into all world countries and cultures, but I'd say that this kind of behavior is really particularly pronounced in US politics. Nobody seems to give a damn about anything that happens elsewhere unless it can be used as a tool to support other goals. If you look at "foreign news" sections of US newspapers and compare it with those of other countries, a strong implicit filter becomes visible.

                          Yep.

                          I was only joking

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 14:54 last edited by
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                            I tried, Jon.

                            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                            • M Mik
                              8 Jul 2022, 14:40

                              No you didn't. You just made that up. 😆

                              But it is interesting as a view into Japanese politics. Do you think this guy had a serious purpose or he was just another whackadoodle?

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 15:02 last edited by Doctor Phibes 7 Aug 2022, 15:03
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                              @Mik said in Shinzo Abe assassinated:

                              No you didn't. You just made that up. 😆

                              But it is interesting as a view into Japanese politics. Do you think this guy had a serious purpose or he was just another whackadoodle?

                              My Japanese colleague said he thought it was most likely a one-off. He said ex-military folk in Japan tend to be less rebellious than average, and I think the suspect is ex-navy?

                              I was only joking

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                                Horace
                                wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 15:03 last edited by
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                                Typical Americans. That’s why I’m leaving this country, and moving to Texas.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • D Doctor Phibes
                                  8 Jul 2022, 15:02

                                  @Mik said in Shinzo Abe assassinated:

                                  No you didn't. You just made that up. 😆

                                  But it is interesting as a view into Japanese politics. Do you think this guy had a serious purpose or he was just another whackadoodle?

                                  My Japanese colleague said he thought it was most likely a one-off. He said ex-military folk in Japan tend to be less rebellious than average, and I think the suspect is ex-navy?

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 15:11 last edited by
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                                  @Doctor-Phibes

                                  Ex-navy or whatever, I suspect there’s some pathology in the guy’s brain.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 15:23 last edited by
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                                    National Communistic Radio.

                                    If there is any entity that ought to play it right down the middle, it's NPR and NPB.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 15:24 last edited by
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                                      As I have said before...If you are willing to die to kill somebody, no security can prevent that.

                                      None.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 16:16 last edited by
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                                        Japan needs common sense gun laws.

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly
                                          8 Jul 2022, 15:24

                                          As I have said before...If you are willing to die to kill somebody, no security can prevent that.

                                          None.

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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on 8 Jul 2022, 16:48 last edited by
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                                          @Jolly said in Shinzo Abe assassinated:

                                          As I have said before...If you are willing to die to kill somebody, no security can prevent that.

                                          None.

                                          You have to be pretty focused and motivated too. And you still might fail. I have no doubt there were plenty of people who would have traded their life to end Trump’s. But they lacked the focus and motivation and know-how.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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