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    George K
    wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 12:33 last edited by
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    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Mik
      wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 13:30 last edited by
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      You can disagree all you want, but this is a state matter, not DOJ.

      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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        89th
        wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 13:44 last edited by
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        The latest stats I saw said that about 78% of all gun-related deaths (not suicides) were done by someone who didn't legally own the gun. Another source said it was as high as 99% if you are just looking at criminal murder/homicides.

        In other words.....forget SCOTUS for a second. The DOJ's position that it "will continue to enforce firearm laws...to tackle the epidemic of gun violence" is great and all, but laws will not stop the "epidemic". Those committing gun-based crimes aren't really concerned with concealed carry permits.

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          Mik
          wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 13:52 last edited by
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          Exactly. Just like locks only keep out honest people.

          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 14:09 last edited by
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            I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

            I was only joking

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              Copper
              wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 15:01 last edited by
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              wiki

              In Brazil, all firearms are required to be registered with the minimum age for gun ownership being 25. It is generally illegal to carry a gun outside a residence, and a special permit granting the right to do so is granted to certain groups, such as law enforcement officers.

              Gun deaths by country

              Brazil — 49,436
              United States — 37,038

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                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 15:13 last edited by
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                Maybe if you stopped allowing Brazilians into the US, you'd have less gun deaths.

                I was only joking

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 17:54 last edited by
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                  Sorry, but the buck stops at SCOTUS.

                  This is a glaring example why we need to A) fumigate Justice, and B) get it the hell out of D.C.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    24 Jun 2022, 14:09

                    I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

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                    89th
                    wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 18:01 last edited by 89th
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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                    I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                    Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

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                      Jolly
                      wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 18:04 last edited by
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                      Canada made the Top 30?

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        24 Jun 2022, 18:01

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                        I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                        Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                        472f6a34-24c1-46dd-91fb-9deb088663fa-image.png

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                        Copper
                        wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 18:36 last edited by
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                        @89th said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                        Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                        I saw that, but I didn't want to rub it in.

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                          24 Jun 2022, 18:01

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                          I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                          Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                          472f6a34-24c1-46dd-91fb-9deb088663fa-image.png

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 18:39 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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                          @89th said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                          @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                          I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                          Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                          472f6a34-24c1-46dd-91fb-9deb088663fa-image.png

                          Yes, and most if not all of the countries at the top of that list would almost certainly have been referred to by an erudite and sophisticated former POTUS in scatological terms.

                          Whether you view this as a success or not is of course up to you.

                          I was only joking

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 18:43 last edited by
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                            Freedom has a price.

                            Seriously, take certain neighborhoods out of the stats and things would look much, much different.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              24 Jun 2022, 18:43

                              Freedom has a price.

                              Seriously, take certain neighborhoods out of the stats and things would look much, much different.

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 18:47 last edited by
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                              @Jolly said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                              Seriously, take certain neighborhoods out of the stats and things would look much, much different.

                              Well, yeah, if you only count the areas without gun violence, then there isn't going to be a lot of recorded gun violence.

                              Based on that logic, we could remove the top 15 nations from the list, and put the US as number 1!

                              I was only joking

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                                89th
                                wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 18:54 last edited by
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                                BTW I am not ashamed to admit I googled "where is Eswatini". Figured it sounded like a Star Wars planet.

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                                  24 Jun 2022, 18:54

                                  BTW I am not ashamed to admit I googled "where is Eswatini". Figured it sounded like a Star Wars planet.

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 18:59 last edited by
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                                  @89th said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                  BTW I am not ashamed to admit I googled "where is Eswatini". Figured it sounded like a Star Wars planet.

                                  It's actually a martini made with cheap Bourbon.

                                  (Tastes like shithole country)

                                  I was only joking

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                                    24 Jun 2022, 18:47

                                    @Jolly said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                    Seriously, take certain neighborhoods out of the stats and things would look much, much different.

                                    Well, yeah, if you only count the areas without gun violence, then there isn't going to be a lot of recorded gun violence.

                                    Based on that logic, we could remove the top 15 nations from the list, and put the US as number 1!

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 19:11 last edited by
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                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                    @Jolly said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                    Seriously, take certain neighborhoods out of the stats and things would look much, much different.

                                    Well, yeah, if you only count the areas without gun violence, then there isn't going to be a lot of recorded gun violence.

                                    Based on that logic, we could remove the top 15 nations from the list, and put the US as number 1!

                                    Yes, but then the violence is not a societal problem, but a very bad problem for slim sections of society.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Copper
                                      wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 21:01 last edited by
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                                      2015

                                      https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Heat-map-of-gun-homicide-rate-per-10-000-population-by-county-in-the-contiguous-US-2015_fig1_337997106

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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 21:04 last edited by Copper
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                                        Those darned poor people.

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                                        https://www.brookings.edu/2022/04/21/mapping-gun-violence-a-closer-look-at-the-intersection-between-place-and-gun-homicides-in-four-cities/

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                                        • D Doctor Phibes
                                          24 Jun 2022, 18:39

                                          @89th said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                          I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                                          Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                                          472f6a34-24c1-46dd-91fb-9deb088663fa-image.png

                                          Yes, and most if not all of the countries at the top of that list would almost certainly have been referred to by an erudite and sophisticated former POTUS in scatological terms.

                                          Whether you view this as a success or not is of course up to you.

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                                          LuFins Dad
                                          wrote on 24 Jun 2022, 21:15 last edited by
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                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                          @89th said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                          @Doctor-Phibes said in DOJ to SCOTUS: "We respectfully disagree.":

                                          I'm guessing the rest of the world must have a lot less criminals, based on shooting deaths elsewhere.

                                          Gun Deaths (not suicide) per 100k... top 30 countries

                                          472f6a34-24c1-46dd-91fb-9deb088663fa-image.png

                                          Yes, and most if not all of the countries at the top of that list would almost certainly have been referred to by an erudite and sophisticated former POTUS in scatological terms.

                                          Whether you view this as a success or not is of course up to you.

                                          Did you know that if you take out African American vs African American gang violence, that the UK has a higher murder rate than the US? So what do you the problem is?

                                          The Brad

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