Texas shooting.

[LuFins Dad]

@89th said in Texas shooting.:

@mark said in Texas shooting.:

Have we even considered locking down the schools with armed guards? As much as that idea sickens me, dead school children, sickens me more.

I believe this school had armed guards, who didn't shoot at the perp as he entered the school carrying a gun. At least that's what I read...I haven't verified that.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/texas-elementary-school-shooting-uvalde/

After shooting his grandmother, the gunman fled in her truck as she called police, Abbott said. He crashed near the school, about two minutes away from his grandmother’s home. Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steven McCraw said at the press conference that the shooter approached a back door of the school and was confronted by a school resource officer who "engaged him at that time" but "the subject was able to make it into the school." It's unclear whether the school officer and the gunman exchanged gunfire.

[xenon]

Mental illness laws wouldn’t have helped in this case either.

It’s easy to say someone was mentally ill after doing something like this. But for every million weird, loner kids only 1 may actually do something like this.

I don’t see how you preemptively pick them out.

[Horace]

I'm pretty sure trying to predict who will do this, and intervening in their lives via government, is a Bad Idea.

[Horace]

@Copper said in Texas shooting.:

If you don't know how to use Google to find these stories, ask Jolly to be your Google mommy.

Well, this kid bought the weapons he used on his 18th birthday. I wouldn't want to be on the anti-regulation side of any discussion about whether such purchases should be regulated more. Unless you're interested in a political death on that hill.

[89th]

Perhaps there should be different classes of guns. Similar to you needing a CDL to drive an 18-wheeler, maybe there could be stricter rules on who is allowed to get an AR-15 or other high powered or automatic weapons? For example, needing a more thorough background check, passing a gun handling test, and strict storage laws. Regardless of school shootings, I'd imagine those are pretty pragmatic ideas.

[Catseye3]

@89th said in Texas shooting.:

Perhaps there should be different classes of guns. Similar to you needing a CDL to drive an 18-wheeler, maybe there could be stricter rules on who is allowed to get an AR-15 or other high powered or automatic weapons? For example, needing a more thorough background check, passing a gun handling test, and strict storage laws. Regardless of school shootings, I'd imagine those are pretty pragmatic ideas.

All of which would be ignored by the badguys. Like the gun advocates say, if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. You think they care about freaking licenses?

[89th]

@Catseye3 said in Texas shooting.:

@89th said in Texas shooting.:

Perhaps there should be different classes of guns. Similar to you needing a CDL to drive an 18-wheeler, maybe there could be stricter rules on who is allowed to get an AR-15 or other high powered or automatic weapons? For example, needing a more thorough background check, passing a gun handling test, and strict storage laws. Regardless of school shootings, I'd imagine those are pretty pragmatic ideas.

All of which would be ignored by the badguys. Like the gun advocates say, if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. You think they care about freaking licenses?

I mean, in this case, the shooter wouldn't have had those weapons. But yes he could've done the same damage with hand guns, really.

[Catseye3]

The nationwide public service campaign to quit smoking launched by the feds (maybe in private-public partnership) was pretty successful. Maybe something like that, to get the public on board. It couldn't be done by the feds, but maybe something like that sponsored by a collection of private and/or corporate monies would yield some results.

[Horace]

The ease of the logistics of these attacks will always be a factor. “Crazy people gonna go crazy” doesn’t work as an argument against regulations.

[George K]

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

The ease of the logistics of these attacks will always be a factor. “Crazy people gonna go crazy” doesn’t work as an argument against regulations.

Enacting legislation about this ("Stricter Gun Laws") hasn't worked in Chicago, has it?

Because criminals gotta criminal.

[Horace]

@George-K said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

The ease of the logistics of these attacks will always be a factor. “Crazy people gonna go crazy” doesn’t work as an argument against regulations.

Enacting legislation about this ("Stricter Gun Laws") hasn't worked in Chicago, has it?

Because criminals gotta criminal.

I just don’t think the argument will play. As for whether regulations would make a difference in school shootings in practice, they are rare enough that it would be impossible to say. They would still happen.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Mik said in Texas shooting.:

It's the willingness to use them to take life that's the problem.

That’s specifically what guns are designed to do.

[Mik]

Ok, human life indiscriminately, if you really need to be so literal.

Pretty picky for a guy who doesn’t know the technical details.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Mik said in Texas shooting.:

Ok, human life indiscriminately, if you really need to be so literal.

I’m making a point about so many people seeing guns a something they want to own, collect and what have you. From some perspectives it looks a bit weird. Their primary and really sole purpose is to kill things.

[LuFins Dad]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

@Mik said in Texas shooting.:

Ok, human life indiscriminately, if you really need to be so literal.

I’m making a point about so many people seeing guns a something they want to own, collect and what have you. From some perspectives it looks a bit weird. Their primary and really sole purpose is to kill things.

Ok, how does that differ from those that collect swords, bows, etc...?

[Jolly]

@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:

@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

The Right has offered. The Left has refused.

To ban video games, yes I know. It's like they don't think Call of Duty caused all this.

Quit being a dumb shit. You've got ideas. Trot them out.

[Jolly]

@xenon said in Texas shooting.:

Mental illness laws wouldn’t have helped in this case either.

It’s easy to say someone was mentally ill after doing something like this. But for every million weird, loner kids only 1 may actually do something like this.

I don’t see how you preemptively pick them out.

They might have.

This kid had some issues. He'd been involved in several fights at school and if what I'm reading is correct, he'd quit school shortly before graduation.

Maybe he quit because he wasn't going to graduate? Why was he involved in multiple fights?
They're not huge red flags, but there is a back story of some kind.

[Jolly]

@89th said in Texas shooting.:

Perhaps there should be different classes of guns. Similar to you needing a CDL to drive an 18-wheeler, maybe there could be stricter rules on who is allowed to get an AR-15 or other high powered or automatic weapons? For example, needing a more thorough background check, passing a gun handling test, and strict storage laws. Regardless of school shootings, I'd imagine those are pretty pragmatic ideas.

Those aren't bad and they are probably workable.

[Jolly]

@Catseye3 said in Texas shooting.:

The nationwide public service campaign to quit smoking launched by the feds (maybe in private-public partnership) was pretty successful. Maybe something like that, to get the public on board. It couldn't be done by the feds, but maybe something like that sponsored by a collection of private and/or corporate monies would yield some results.

I'm going to riff off of this, but it's going to be in an unusual way...

I've carried a rifle to school many times. Used to run our Outdoor Ed Club trapline that started across the road from our rural school. I'd go down to my car at 2nd hour, shrug into some light coveralls, grab my .22 and walk across the school grounds. The rule was I couldn't load until I crossed the road into the woods.

That was another time and day. The difference is that today guns have acquired a mystique and yes, we didn't play games back then where we mowed people down indiscriminately.then

Perhaps we need to do a few things that some would consider outrageous. May-be, we need to introduce gun safety programs into school. May-be we need to quit glamorizing death, both through the first-shooter games and body-count action movies that kids see...May-be, we need to require an adult lock on R rated movies.

May-be, we need to bring rifle programs back to school. May-be, we need to emphasize ROTC programs in high schools, with the levels of responsibility and accountability those programs have embedded in their core.

[Mik]

There may be more to blame than guns here.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-haven-t-explained-why-it-took-them-an-hour-to-confront-the-uvalde-school-shooter/ar-AAXLZFw?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1784cdf258bc49ac94577696bde5e729