Texas shooting.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
I'm not clear on what gun regulations we're arguing over when the Dems come out and say we have to do something about this.
Since our answer has been fuck-all nothing, many of them are explicitly saying to do anything but that.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 15:46 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
I'm not clear on what gun regulations we're arguing over when the Dems come out and say we have to do something about this.
Since our answer has been fuck-all nothing, many of them are explicitly saying to do anything but that.
Ok then, I'm not clear on the gun legislation introduced by the Dems and blocked by the GOP. I understand that such legislation exists, but I'm not clear on it. Probably a hundred things in a hundred different locations. I'm sure it's complicated. But I'm clear that those sorts of public debates are not very tenable politically for those opposing gun control, and become less tenable every time another one of these things happens. This is one of those things that could even trump the economy, at the voting booth, if someone was convinced their vote would contribute to more gun control to help end this stuff.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 16:03 last edited by
The Right has offered. The Left has refused.
The Left has offered nothing.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 16:06 last edited by
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
The Right has offered. The Left has refused.
To ban video games, yes I know. It's like they don't think Call of Duty caused all this.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
I'm not clear on what gun regulations we're arguing over when the Dems come out and say we have to do something about this.
Since our answer has been fuck-all nothing, many of them are explicitly saying to do anything but that.
Ok then, I'm not clear on the gun legislation introduced by the Dems and blocked by the GOP. I understand that such legislation exists, but I'm not clear on it. Probably a hundred things in a hundred different locations. I'm sure it's complicated. But I'm clear that those sorts of public debates are not very tenable politically for those opposing gun control, and become less tenable every time another one of these things happens. This is one of those things that could even trump the economy, at the voting booth, if someone was convinced their vote would contribute to more gun control to help end this stuff.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 16:13 last edited by@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
I'm not clear on what gun regulations we're arguing over when the Dems come out and say we have to do something about this.
Since our answer has been fuck-all nothing, many of them are explicitly saying to do anything but that.
Ok then, I'm not clear on the gun legislation introduced by the Dems and blocked by the GOP. I understand that such legislation exists, but I'm not clear on it. Probably a hundred things in a hundred different locations. I'm sure it's complicated. But I'm clear that those sorts of public debates are not very tenable politically for those opposing gun control, and become less tenable every time another one of these things happens. This is one of those things that could even trump the economy, at the voting booth, if someone was convinced their vote would contribute to more gun control to help end this stuff.
Yeah I have often asked what specifically are they proposing and, more specifically, how would it have prevented the ~10 or so school shootings in the last decade. I'd love to know the actual implementation plan as I'd be fine with anything that is pragmatic across the spectrum.
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Have we even considered locking down the schools with armed guards? As much as that idea sickens me, dead school children, sickens me more.
Back in the 1970s we bitched and protested because they installed a chain link fence around our high school. It was meant to stop students from leaving school and crossing the road during the lunch hour to go to their cars and smoke. We were livid! We called it a prison, police state, etc.
So, I don't take putting armed guards in the school lightly. Like I said the idea sickens me, but how else can we protect the schools?
We know that trying to take the guns out of circulation is just not possible. Access to anything is possible to anyone willing to do whatever it takes to get something.
It's like we have no other choice at this time to really protect the schools.
It does nothing for workplaces, or public events and attractions.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 16:14 last edited by@mark said in Texas shooting.:
Have we even considered locking down the schools with armed guards? As much as that idea sickens me, dead school children, sickens me more.
I believe this school had armed guards, who didn't shoot at the perp as he entered the school carrying a gun. At least that's what I read...I haven't verified that.
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I'm not clear on what gun regulations we're arguing over when the Dems come out and say we have to do something about this.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 16:22 last edited by Copper@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
I'm not clear on what gun regulations we're arguing over
There have been as many proposals to help prevent school shootings as there are school districts.
Many of those proposals have probably saved lives.
Just about all of those proposals have involved the left and right working together to help make children safer.
Why keep screaming that the other side is demonic?
You can find a demon to scream about, but those idiots are not the mainstream.
If you don't know how to use Google to find these stories, ask Jolly to be your Google mommy.
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@mark said in Texas shooting.:
Have we even considered locking down the schools with armed guards? As much as that idea sickens me, dead school children, sickens me more.
I believe this school had armed guards, who didn't shoot at the perp as he entered the school carrying a gun. At least that's what I read...I haven't verified that.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 16:22 last edited by@89th said in Texas shooting.:
@mark said in Texas shooting.:
Have we even considered locking down the schools with armed guards? As much as that idea sickens me, dead school children, sickens me more.
I believe this school had armed guards, who didn't shoot at the perp as he entered the school carrying a gun. At least that's what I read...I haven't verified that.
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/25/texas-elementary-school-shooting-uvalde/
After shooting his grandmother, the gunman fled in her truck as she called police, Abbott said. He crashed near the school, about two minutes away from his grandmother’s home. Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steven McCraw said at the press conference that the shooter approached a back door of the school and was confronted by a school resource officer who "engaged him at that time" but "the subject was able to make it into the school." It's unclear whether the school officer and the gunman exchanged gunfire.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 16:27 last edited by xenon
Mental illness laws wouldn’t have helped in this case either.
It’s easy to say someone was mentally ill after doing something like this. But for every million weird, loner kids only 1 may actually do something like this.
I don’t see how you preemptively pick them out.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 16:39 last edited by
I'm pretty sure trying to predict who will do this, and intervening in their lives via government, is a Bad Idea.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
I'm not clear on what gun regulations we're arguing over
There have been as many proposals to help prevent school shootings as there are school districts.
Many of those proposals have probably saved lives.
Just about all of those proposals have involved the left and right working together to help make children safer.
Why keep screaming that the other side is demonic?
You can find a demon to scream about, but those idiots are not the mainstream.
If you don't know how to use Google to find these stories, ask Jolly to be your Google mommy.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 16:42 last edited by Horace@Copper said in Texas shooting.:
If you don't know how to use Google to find these stories, ask Jolly to be your Google mommy.
Well, this kid bought the weapons he used on his 18th birthday. I wouldn't want to be on the anti-regulation side of any discussion about whether such purchases should be regulated more. Unless you're interested in a political death on that hill.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 16:51 last edited by
Perhaps there should be different classes of guns. Similar to you needing a CDL to drive an 18-wheeler, maybe there could be stricter rules on who is allowed to get an AR-15 or other high powered or automatic weapons? For example, needing a more thorough background check, passing a gun handling test, and strict storage laws. Regardless of school shootings, I'd imagine those are pretty pragmatic ideas.
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Perhaps there should be different classes of guns. Similar to you needing a CDL to drive an 18-wheeler, maybe there could be stricter rules on who is allowed to get an AR-15 or other high powered or automatic weapons? For example, needing a more thorough background check, passing a gun handling test, and strict storage laws. Regardless of school shootings, I'd imagine those are pretty pragmatic ideas.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 16:58 last edited by@89th said in Texas shooting.:
Perhaps there should be different classes of guns. Similar to you needing a CDL to drive an 18-wheeler, maybe there could be stricter rules on who is allowed to get an AR-15 or other high powered or automatic weapons? For example, needing a more thorough background check, passing a gun handling test, and strict storage laws. Regardless of school shootings, I'd imagine those are pretty pragmatic ideas.
All of which would be ignored by the badguys. Like the gun advocates say, if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. You think they care about freaking licenses?
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@89th said in Texas shooting.:
Perhaps there should be different classes of guns. Similar to you needing a CDL to drive an 18-wheeler, maybe there could be stricter rules on who is allowed to get an AR-15 or other high powered or automatic weapons? For example, needing a more thorough background check, passing a gun handling test, and strict storage laws. Regardless of school shootings, I'd imagine those are pretty pragmatic ideas.
All of which would be ignored by the badguys. Like the gun advocates say, if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. You think they care about freaking licenses?
wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:00 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Texas shooting.:
@89th said in Texas shooting.:
Perhaps there should be different classes of guns. Similar to you needing a CDL to drive an 18-wheeler, maybe there could be stricter rules on who is allowed to get an AR-15 or other high powered or automatic weapons? For example, needing a more thorough background check, passing a gun handling test, and strict storage laws. Regardless of school shootings, I'd imagine those are pretty pragmatic ideas.
All of which would be ignored by the badguys. Like the gun advocates say, if you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. You think they care about freaking licenses?
I mean, in this case, the shooter wouldn't have had those weapons. But yes he could've done the same damage with hand guns, really.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:04 last edited by
The nationwide public service campaign to quit smoking launched by the feds (maybe in private-public partnership) was pretty successful. Maybe something like that, to get the public on board. It couldn't be done by the feds, but maybe something like that sponsored by a collection of private and/or corporate monies would yield some results.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:06 last edited by
The ease of the logistics of these attacks will always be a factor. “Crazy people gonna go crazy” doesn’t work as an argument against regulations.
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The ease of the logistics of these attacks will always be a factor. “Crazy people gonna go crazy” doesn’t work as an argument against regulations.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:08 last edited by George K@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
The ease of the logistics of these attacks will always be a factor. “Crazy people gonna go crazy” doesn’t work as an argument against regulations.
Enacting legislation about this ("Stricter Gun Laws") hasn't worked in Chicago, has it?
Because criminals gotta criminal.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
The ease of the logistics of these attacks will always be a factor. “Crazy people gonna go crazy” doesn’t work as an argument against regulations.
Enacting legislation about this ("Stricter Gun Laws") hasn't worked in Chicago, has it?
Because criminals gotta criminal.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:10 last edited by@George-K said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
The ease of the logistics of these attacks will always be a factor. “Crazy people gonna go crazy” doesn’t work as an argument against regulations.
Enacting legislation about this ("Stricter Gun Laws") hasn't worked in Chicago, has it?
Because criminals gotta criminal.
I just don’t think the argument will play. As for whether regulations would make a difference in school shootings in practice, they are rare enough that it would be impossible to say. They would still happen.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:20 last edited by
@Mik said in Texas shooting.:
It's the willingness to use them to take life that's the problem.
That’s specifically what guns are designed to do.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:29 last edited by Mik
Ok, human life indiscriminately, if you really need to be so literal.
Pretty picky for a guy who doesn’t know the technical details.
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Ok, human life indiscriminately, if you really need to be so literal.
Pretty picky for a guy who doesn’t know the technical details.
wrote on 26 May 2022, 17:32 last edited by@Mik said in Texas shooting.:
Ok, human life indiscriminately, if you really need to be so literal.
I’m making a point about so many people seeing guns a something they want to own, collect and what have you. From some perspectives it looks a bit weird. Their primary and really sole purpose is to kill things.