Texas shooting.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.

All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.

I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?

Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/trans-womans-photo-used-spread-baseless-online-theory-texas-shooter-rcna30511

Ok, if it's bogus, it's bogus.

Now, I still consider transgendered teenagers to be mentally ill. Mentally ill people should not be allowed to purchase firearms.

How's that?

[Jolly]

BTW, any of you feel like getting punched?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/whoopi-goldberg-threatens-to-punch-somebody-if-she-hears-republicans-are-heartbroken-after-texas-shooting/ar-AAXIs9R?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=1ace0358cb3740af97434dca7b1df839

[Jolly]

Offered without cpmment.

[Copper]

@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

BTW, any of you feel like getting punched?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/whoopi-goldberg-threatens-to-punch-somebody-if-she-hears-republicans-are-heartbroken-after-texas-shooting/ar-AAXIs9R?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=1ace0358cb3740af97434dca7b1df839

Civil discourse from celebs

I assume she has a well-armed bodyguard who would actually do the punching

"And I swear to God, if I see another Republican senator talk about their heart being broken I'ma go punch somebody!" she declared. "I can't take thoughts and prayers. If your thoughts and prayers were really with everybody, you'da done something by now."

Later in the show, co-host Ana Navarro suggested Republicans redirect their "thoughts and prayers" elsewhere.

"I hope they roll up their little thoughts and prayers into a suppository and find what to do with it," she said.

[Mik]

Still, none of them have any idea what to do except take guns away.

[Copper]

Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden are both screaming about gun lobbies!

Tired talking points from 25 years ago.

The NRA is on the rocks and may be about to go out of business.

That makes them a safe target, they don't have enough money to influence hardly anything any more.

I don't think there is a powerful gun lobby any more, its not the NRA. I used to be a member, I lost interest.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.

All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.

I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?

Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/trans-womans-photo-used-spread-baseless-online-theory-texas-shooter-rcna30511

Ok, if it's bogus, it's bogus.

Now, I still consider transgendered teenagers to be mentally ill. Mentally ill people should not be allowed to purchase firearms.

How's that?

I'd be perfectly OK with teenagers of any persuasion not being allowed to purchase firearms period.

They're not allowed to buy a beer - why stop there?

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.

All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.

I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?

Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/trans-womans-photo-used-spread-baseless-online-theory-texas-shooter-rcna30511

Ok, if it's bogus, it's bogus.

Now, I still consider transgendered teenagers to be mentally ill. Mentally ill people should not be allowed to purchase firearms.

How's that?

I'd be perfectly OK with teenagers of any persuasion not being allowed to purchase firearms period.

They're not allowed to buy a beer - why stop there?

Actually, the law usually runs 18 for long arms, 21 for handguns.

You avoided the mentally ill question, which is a hard question to answer...

[AndyD]

The continuing gulf in opinion is astounding. "No common ground, no compromise"

[Copper]

No compromise?

Compare the laws and school security between today and 20 years ago.

It is a story of cooperation.

And a story of screaming media louts.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.

All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.

I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?

Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/trans-womans-photo-used-spread-baseless-online-theory-texas-shooter-rcna30511

Ok, if it's bogus, it's bogus.

Now, I still consider transgendered teenagers to be mentally ill. Mentally ill people should not be allowed to purchase firearms.

How's that?

I'd be perfectly OK with teenagers of any persuasion not being allowed to purchase firearms period.

They're not allowed to buy a beer - why stop there?

Actually, the law usually runs 18 for long arms, 21 for handguns.

You avoided the mentally ill question, which is a hard question to answer...

I don't really see the point of picking on that particular minority as such. Have they been shown to be more likely to kill people than other gun owners?

I do know that people use the term 'mentally ill' to cover a wide variety of conditions, but like the woman said, I'm not a psychiatrist.

[89th]

@Mik said in Texas shooting.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

@Mik said in Texas shooting.:

My question is how did he get in? We have gone to two local schools this week. Both of them required we be buzzed in.

If you were a former pupil, it probably wouldn't be that difficult to beat most school security. When I go, it's not exactly Fort Knox.

Not buying that. Why would a shady looking 18 year old have any business in an elementary school? His backpack alone would have set off my alarms, not to mention he just shot his grandmother and wrecked a truck. He’s not going to be normal acting.

From a clip I saw, he ran into the building quickly. Not sure if he drove there or what. Sounds like it was an unlocked emergency exit door of a vacant classroom, that was adjacent to the 4th grade classroom where he did all the damage.

[89th]

There is an NRA Convention in Houston this weekend. Odds of speakers like Abbott, Cruz, and Trump canceling? Odds of there being violence outside with clashing protesters?

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

@Horace said in Texas shooting.:

@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:

There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.

All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.

I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?

Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/trans-womans-photo-used-spread-baseless-online-theory-texas-shooter-rcna30511

Ok, if it's bogus, it's bogus.

Now, I still consider transgendered teenagers to be mentally ill. Mentally ill people should not be allowed to purchase firearms.

How's that?

I'd be perfectly OK with teenagers of any persuasion not being allowed to purchase firearms period.

They're not allowed to buy a beer - why stop there?

Actually, the law usually runs 18 for long arms, 21 for handguns.

You avoided the mentally ill question, which is a hard question to answer...

I don't really see the point of picking on that particular minority as such. Have they been shown to be more likely to kill people than other gun owners?

I do know that people use the term 'mentally ill' to cover a wide variety of conditions, but like the woman said, I'm not a psychiatrist.

Pick another minority. It doesn't matter. The essential question boils down to who is mentally ill and at what point do we take their Constitutional rights away from them?

[Catseye3]

@Copper said in Texas shooting.:

I assume she has a well-armed bodyguard who would actually do the punching

"And I swear to God, if I see another Republican senator talk about their heart being broken I'ma go punch somebody!" she declared. "I can't take thoughts and prayers. If your thoughts and prayers were really with everybody, you'da done something by now."

Later in the show, co-host Ana Navarro suggested Republicans redirect their "thoughts and prayers" elsewhere.

"I hope they roll up their little thoughts and prayers into a suppository and find what to do with it," she said.

Thus do we advance another small step toward a flawless state of perfect partisanship as never before seen.

Congratulations, ladies.

[mark]

Have we even considered locking down the schools with armed guards? As much as that idea sickens me, dead school children, sickens me more.

Back in the 1970s we bitched and protested because they installed a chain link fence around our high school. It was meant to stop students from leaving school and crossing the road during the lunch hour to go to their cars and smoke. We were livid! We called it a prison, police state, etc.

So, I don't take putting armed guards in the school lightly. Like I said the idea sickens me, but how else can we protect the schools?

We know that trying to take the guns out of circulation is just not possible. Access to anything is possible to anyone willing to do whatever it takes to get something.

It's like we have no other choice at this time to really protect the schools.

It does nothing for workplaces, or public events and attractions.

[Mik]

@89th said in Texas shooting.:

@Mik said in Texas shooting.:

@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:

@Mik said in Texas shooting.:

My question is how did he get in? We have gone to two local schools this week. Both of them required we be buzzed in.

If you were a former pupil, it probably wouldn't be that difficult to beat most school security. When I go, it's not exactly Fort Knox.

Not buying that. Why would a shady looking 18 year old have any business in an elementary school? His backpack alone would have set off my alarms, not to mention he just shot his grandmother and wrecked a truck. He’s not going to be normal acting.

From a clip I saw, he ran into the building quickly. Not sure if he drove there or what. Sounds like it was an unlocked emergency exit door of a vacant classroom, that was adjacent to the 4th grade classroom where he did all the damage.

There's your problem then.

[Axtremus]

I have been paying more attention to local school funding and bond proposal discussions in recent years. There are no lack of proposals to beef up school security, bringing in updated security-conscious design concepts and such, along with the architects’ estimates telling you how much each element of these school building updates will cost. (Spoiler alert: they are not cheap.) Still, even if you secure all the building, kids still have to “come to school” in the morning, “leave the school” after the school day is done, go to the outdoor field for sports and physical education classes … still lots of outdoor, near-the-school concentrations of school children being exposed multiple times every day. Building a security bubble around the school is a tough problem to solve.

[Mik]

True enough, but that does not mean we should not do what we can. Gun control is far more difficult with less chance of success.

[Doctor Phibes]

@mark said in Texas shooting.:

Have we even considered locking down the schools with armed guards? As much as that idea sickens me, dead school children, sickens me more.

Back in the 1970s we bitched and protested because they installed a chain link fence around our high school. It was meant to stop students from leaving school and crossing the road during the lunch hour to go to their cars and smoke. We were livid! We called it a prison, police state, etc.

So, I don't take putting armed guards in the school lightly. Like I said the idea sickens me, but how else can we protect the schools?

We know that trying to take the guns out of circulation is just not possible. Access to anything is possible to anyone willing to do whatever it takes to get something.

It's like we have no other choice at this time to really protect the schools.

It does nothing for workplaces, or public events and attractions.

It's a depressing thought, and I hate to think what it's going to do to children's view of the world.

It seems to me that something is fundamentally broken, in the US particularly, with regard to people's views of firearms.