Texas shooting.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
Certainly guns should be considered, but maybe there's other things?
I've been toying around with something -- can't call it a concept because it's too undeveloped, but don't know what else to call it -- that might somewhat answer this.
Maybe pointing to specifics like guns or white supremacy or lust for fame or whatever is invalidly narrowing down the answer to a dangerous degree, to make everything appear simpler to understand -- a fruitless strategy that sends people haring all over the place and feeling virtuous (and getting elected) like they're accomplishing something and making themselves feel better, but not much else.
Maybe it's more useful to think of school shootings as one of many manifestations stemming from a very widespread discontent -- discontent with one's lot, feeling trapped in a society that is terribly damaged throughout, which results in many forms of lashing out, of which shootings, school or otherwise, are but one.
Some actions cause more damage and pain than others, but they all have this in common. Misery, frustration, the heartbroken despair, the belief that nothing will ever get better. The job will still suck in ten years; the marriage ditto, the leg lost in Afghanistan, the countless attempts to get clean that haven't worked, and on and on and on.
Failed expectations. Unfulfilled or broken promises.
How much of this can people, can society, take? Something eventually gives way and BAM.
We are past facile explanations, facile advice for cures. I don't know what to do about it, but I'll tell you what: Aqua is right on about the media. You want to set blame, look to the clickbait-loving slime that shovel out content that constantly reinforces and inflames an already tragic set of conditions. Those, and the goddamn social media. Jolly asks why didn't we have school shootings dunnamany years ago; well, duh, we didn't have social media then, either.
I'll stop. I fear there is no way to fix us without some significant catalyst that I see no sign of on the horizon.
@Catseye3 said in Texas shooting.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
Certainly guns should be considered, but maybe there's other things?
I've been toying around with something -- can't call it a concept because it's too undeveloped, but don't know what else to call it -- that might somewhat answer this.
Maybe pointing to specifics like guns or white supremacy or lust for fame or whatever is narrowing the answer down to a dangerous degree, to make everything simpler to understand -- a useless strategy that sends people haring all over the place and feeling virtuously (and getting elected) like they're accomplishing something and making themselves feel better, but not much else.
Maybe it's more useful to think of school shootings as one of many manifestations stemming from a very widespread discontent -- discontent with one's lot, feeling trapped in a society that is terribly damaged throughout, which results in many forms of lashing out, of which shootings, school or otherwise, are but one.
Some actions cause more damage and pain than others, but they all have this in common. Misery, frustration, the heartbroken belief that nothing will ever get better. The job will still suck in ten years; the marriage ditto, the leg lost in Afghanistan, the countless attempts to get clean that haven't worked, and on and on and on.
Failed expectations. Unfulfilled or broken promises.
How much of this can people, can society, take? Something eventually gives way and BAM.
We are past facile explanations, facile advice for cures. I don't know what to do about it, but I'll tell you what: Aqua is right on about the media. You want to set blame, look to the clickbait-loving slime that shovel out content that constantly reinforces and inflames an already tragic set of conditions. Those, and the goddamn social media. Jolly asks why didn't we have school shootings dunnamany years ago; well, duh, we didn't have social media then, either.
I'll stop. I fear there is no way to fix us without some significant catalyst that I see no sign of on the horizon.
Rats in a cage.
And it's not a bad theory.
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@89th not really sure how it would work
a mandatory police background check and a mandatory medical certification, where shrinks could be held liable . I dont know. seems to work in other countries.
and that nonsense about america being different. american exceptionalism. thats fine if the exceptionalism is good and positive. what if it stinks? what if it means America is worse than most other places in some respects.
its very saddening.
@bachophile said in Texas shooting.:
@89th not really sure how it would work
a mandatory police background check and a mandatory medical certification, where shrinks could be held liable . I dont know. seems to work in other countries.
and that nonsense about america being different. american exceptionalism. thats fine if the exceptionalism is good and positive. what if it stinks? what if it means America is worse than most other places in some respects.
its very saddening.
The mandatory NICS exists. Here's a link with the current 4473:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/atf-form-4473-firearms-transaction-record-revisions
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There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
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There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
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@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
I was only joking
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It's odd how the mentally ill in other countries don't do this.
Particularly when we're told that US Healthcare is better than all that socialized rubbish.
Maybe demonizing trans folk based on some rumour started on 4chan isn't such great idea, unless actual evidence emerges.
I was only joking
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-school-shooting-victims-were-killed-in-one-classroom-11653484041
Texas School Shooter Had No Known Mental Health Issues or Arrests
The gunman who killed 19 students and two teachers Tuesday in an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, wasn’t known to law enforcement ahead of time and had no documented mental-health issues and no known arrests, state officials said Wednesday.
The first warnings of violence came in the form of Facebook messages shortly before Salvador Ramos, 18, shot his grandmother and proceeded to Robb Elementary, where the mass shooting took place. Ramos wrote on Facebook “I’m going to shoot my grandma” and then, after doing so, posted, “I shot my grandma,” Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said in a news conference. Less than 15 minutes before arriving at Robb Elementary School, he wrote, “I’m going to shoot an elementary school.”
A spokesman for Facebook’s parent company, Meta Platforms Inc., said on Twitter that the communications were private messages sent to another individual, not public posts.
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My question is how did he get in? We have gone to two local schools this week. Both of them required we be buzzed in.
@Mik said in Texas shooting.:
My question is how did he get in? We have gone to two local schools this week. Both of them required we be buzzed in.
If you were a former pupil, it probably wouldn't be that difficult to beat most school security. When I go, it's not exactly Fort Knox.
I was only joking
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It's odd how the mentally ill in other countries don't do this.
Particularly when we're told that US Healthcare is better than all that socialized rubbish.
Maybe demonizing trans folk based on some rumour started on 4chan isn't such great idea, unless actual evidence emerges.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
It's odd how the mentally ill in other countries don't do this.
Mass shootings are up in Ukraine
I'm sure anyone can find statistics to support just about anything.
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@Mik said in Texas shooting.:
My question is how did he get in? We have gone to two local schools this week. Both of them required we be buzzed in.
If you were a former pupil, it probably wouldn't be that difficult to beat most school security. When I go, it's not exactly Fort Knox.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
@Mik said in Texas shooting.:
My question is how did he get in? We have gone to two local schools this week. Both of them required we be buzzed in.
If you were a former pupil, it probably wouldn't be that difficult to beat most school security. When I go, it's not exactly Fort Knox.
Not buying that. Why would a shady looking 18 year old have any business in an elementary school? His backpack alone would have set off my alarms, not to mention he just shot his grandmother and wrecked a truck. He’s not going to be normal acting.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
It's odd how the mentally ill in other countries don't do this.
Mass shootings are up in Ukraine
I'm sure anyone can find statistics to support just about anything.
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That's OK, this conversation is older than that.
I think that data is kind of shaky, no matter how old it is.
I heard a guy was implying that this sort of murder only happens in the US. Here is a different point of view - with data! Maybe old shaky data, but better than shut up.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
- No, there is no evidence that the gunman was transgender.
Hours after the attack, a post on the fringe online message board 4chan circulated claiming that the gunman was transgender. Numerous photographs falsely claiming to show the gunman wearing women’s clothing were attached.
The authorities have said the gunman was male.
The unfounded claims made their way to Telegram channels of far-right militia groups such as the Proud Boys, where people falsely claimed that the shooting was a result of hormone therapy undertaken by the gunman.
By Wednesday, the claims that the gunman was transgender had been amplified by high-profile people such as Representative Paul Gosar, an Arizona Republican who was censured last year by the House after he posted a video that depicted him killing a Democratic lawmaker. Mr. Gosar’s Twitter post on the matter has been deleted.
Photos of dark-haired transgender women circulated alongside images of the gunman’s face, accompanied with false accusations that they were the same person. “There is an overwhelming number of individuals who are posting images of this person, who was the shooter, and information about the nature of them being transgender,” Stacy Washington, the host of the SiriusXM show “Stacy on the Right,” said on Tuesday night. She added: “We don’t have definitive proof, but I’d say, this many pictures? My goodness. There’s something going on here.”
On Tuesday, a transgender artist said on Reddit that people online “just took my photos and used it to spread misinformation.” After the artist posted other photos as proof, an account on Twitter that discusses gun rights deleted a post that had included the artist’s photo and apologized - No, there is no evidence that the gunman was transgender.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
Ok, if it's bogus, it's bogus.
Now, I still consider transgendered teenagers to be mentally ill. Mentally ill people should not be allowed to purchase firearms.
How's that?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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BTW, any of you feel like getting punched?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
BTW, any of you feel like getting punched?
Civil discourse from celebs
I assume she has a well-armed bodyguard who would actually do the punching
"And I swear to God, if I see another Republican senator talk about their heart being broken I'ma go punch somebody!" she declared. "I can't take thoughts and prayers. If your thoughts and prayers were really with everybody, you'da done something by now."
Later in the show, co-host Ana Navarro suggested Republicans redirect their "thoughts and prayers" elsewhere.
"I hope they roll up their little thoughts and prayers into a suppository and find what to do with it," she said.
