Texas shooting.
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@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
wrote on 25 May 2022, 21:58 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
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wrote on 25 May 2022, 22:10 last edited by Doctor Phibes
It's odd how the mentally ill in other countries don't do this.
Particularly when we're told that US Healthcare is better than all that socialized rubbish.
Maybe demonizing trans folk based on some rumour started on 4chan isn't such great idea, unless actual evidence emerges.
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wrote on 25 May 2022, 22:33 last edited by
My question is how did he get in? We have gone to two local schools this week. Both of them required we be buzzed in.
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wrote on 25 May 2022, 22:38 last edited by
https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-school-shooting-victims-were-killed-in-one-classroom-11653484041
Texas School Shooter Had No Known Mental Health Issues or Arrests
The gunman who killed 19 students and two teachers Tuesday in an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, wasn’t known to law enforcement ahead of time and had no documented mental-health issues and no known arrests, state officials said Wednesday.
The first warnings of violence came in the form of Facebook messages shortly before Salvador Ramos, 18, shot his grandmother and proceeded to Robb Elementary, where the mass shooting took place. Ramos wrote on Facebook “I’m going to shoot my grandma” and then, after doing so, posted, “I shot my grandma,” Texas Gov. Greg Abbott said in a news conference. Less than 15 minutes before arriving at Robb Elementary School, he wrote, “I’m going to shoot an elementary school.”
A spokesman for Facebook’s parent company, Meta Platforms Inc., said on Twitter that the communications were private messages sent to another individual, not public posts.
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My question is how did he get in? We have gone to two local schools this week. Both of them required we be buzzed in.
wrote on 25 May 2022, 22:38 last edited by@Mik said in Texas shooting.:
My question is how did he get in? We have gone to two local schools this week. Both of them required we be buzzed in.
If you were a former pupil, it probably wouldn't be that difficult to beat most school security. When I go, it's not exactly Fort Knox.
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wrote on 25 May 2022, 22:48 last edited by
All the stories I'm reading are hammering on the point that the guy was a loner with no friends. Now it'll suck even harder to be a high school loner with no friends.
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It's odd how the mentally ill in other countries don't do this.
Particularly when we're told that US Healthcare is better than all that socialized rubbish.
Maybe demonizing trans folk based on some rumour started on 4chan isn't such great idea, unless actual evidence emerges.
wrote on 25 May 2022, 23:06 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
It's odd how the mentally ill in other countries don't do this.
Mass shootings are up in Ukraine
I'm sure anyone can find statistics to support just about anything.
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@Mik said in Texas shooting.:
My question is how did he get in? We have gone to two local schools this week. Both of them required we be buzzed in.
If you were a former pupil, it probably wouldn't be that difficult to beat most school security. When I go, it's not exactly Fort Knox.
wrote on 25 May 2022, 23:08 last edited by Mik@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
@Mik said in Texas shooting.:
My question is how did he get in? We have gone to two local schools this week. Both of them required we be buzzed in.
If you were a former pupil, it probably wouldn't be that difficult to beat most school security. When I go, it's not exactly Fort Knox.
Not buying that. Why would a shady looking 18 year old have any business in an elementary school? His backpack alone would have set off my alarms, not to mention he just shot his grandmother and wrecked a truck. He’s not going to be normal acting.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
It's odd how the mentally ill in other countries don't do this.
Mass shootings are up in Ukraine
I'm sure anyone can find statistics to support just about anything.
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wrote on 25 May 2022, 23:17 last edited by
That's OK, this conversation is older than that.
I think that data is kind of shaky, no matter how old it is.
I heard a guy was implying that this sort of murder only happens in the US. Here is a different point of view - with data! Maybe old shaky data, but better than shut up.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
wrote on 25 May 2022, 23:29 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
- No, there is no evidence that the gunman was transgender.
Hours after the attack, a post on the fringe online message board 4chan circulated claiming that the gunman was transgender. Numerous photographs falsely claiming to show the gunman wearing women’s clothing were attached.
The authorities have said the gunman was male.
The unfounded claims made their way to Telegram channels of far-right militia groups such as the Proud Boys, where people falsely claimed that the shooting was a result of hormone therapy undertaken by the gunman.
By Wednesday, the claims that the gunman was transgender had been amplified by high-profile people such as Representative Paul Gosar, an Arizona Republican who was censured last year by the House after he posted a video that depicted him killing a Democratic lawmaker. Mr. Gosar’s Twitter post on the matter has been deleted.
Photos of dark-haired transgender women circulated alongside images of the gunman’s face, accompanied with false accusations that they were the same person. “There is an overwhelming number of individuals who are posting images of this person, who was the shooter, and information about the nature of them being transgender,” Stacy Washington, the host of the SiriusXM show “Stacy on the Right,” said on Tuesday night. She added: “We don’t have definitive proof, but I’d say, this many pictures? My goodness. There’s something going on here.”
On Tuesday, a transgender artist said on Reddit that people online “just took my photos and used it to spread misinformation.” After the artist posted other photos as proof, an account on Twitter that discusses gun rights deleted a post that had included the artist’s photo and apologized - No, there is no evidence that the gunman was transgender.
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@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
wrote on 25 May 2022, 23:51 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
Ok, if it's bogus, it's bogus.
Now, I still consider transgendered teenagers to be mentally ill. Mentally ill people should not be allowed to purchase firearms.
How's that?
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wrote on 25 May 2022, 23:53 last edited by
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 00:20 last edited by
Offered without cpmment.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 01:28 last edited by
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
BTW, any of you feel like getting punched?
Civil discourse from celebs
I assume she has a well-armed bodyguard who would actually do the punching
"And I swear to God, if I see another Republican senator talk about their heart being broken I'ma go punch somebody!" she declared. "I can't take thoughts and prayers. If your thoughts and prayers were really with everybody, you'da done something by now."
Later in the show, co-host Ana Navarro suggested Republicans redirect their "thoughts and prayers" elsewhere.
"I hope they roll up their little thoughts and prayers into a suppository and find what to do with it," she said.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 01:36 last edited by
Still, none of them have any idea what to do except take guns away.
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wrote on 26 May 2022, 02:09 last edited by
Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden are both screaming about gun lobbies!
Tired talking points from 25 years ago.
The NRA is on the rocks and may be about to go out of business.
That makes them a safe target, they don't have enough money to influence hardly anything any more.
I don't think there is a powerful gun lobby any more, its not the NRA. I used to be a member, I lost interest.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
Ok, if it's bogus, it's bogus.
Now, I still consider transgendered teenagers to be mentally ill. Mentally ill people should not be allowed to purchase firearms.
How's that?
wrote on 26 May 2022, 02:27 last edited by@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
Ok, if it's bogus, it's bogus.
Now, I still consider transgendered teenagers to be mentally ill. Mentally ill people should not be allowed to purchase firearms.
How's that?
I'd be perfectly OK with teenagers of any persuasion not being allowed to purchase firearms period.
They're not allowed to buy a beer - why stop there?
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@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
Ok, if it's bogus, it's bogus.
Now, I still consider transgendered teenagers to be mentally ill. Mentally ill people should not be allowed to purchase firearms.
How's that?
I'd be perfectly OK with teenagers of any persuasion not being allowed to purchase firearms period.
They're not allowed to buy a beer - why stop there?
wrote on 26 May 2022, 02:53 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
Ok, if it's bogus, it's bogus.
Now, I still consider transgendered teenagers to be mentally ill. Mentally ill people should not be allowed to purchase firearms.
How's that?
I'd be perfectly OK with teenagers of any persuasion not being allowed to purchase firearms period.
They're not allowed to buy a beer - why stop there?
Actually, the law usually runs 18 for long arms, 21 for handguns.
You avoided the mentally ill question, which is a hard question to answer...
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Texas shooting.:
@Horace said in Texas shooting.:
@Jolly said in Texas shooting.:
There's been some talk of Red Flag laws being an area of compromise.
All right, Dems. Make you a deal...This last shooter was transgendered. Let's go back to the future and label transgendered people as mentally ill and red flag their 4473.
I haven’t seen anything about the shooter’s self identification. Where are you seeing that?
Apparently, a rumour started on 4Chan. According to this article, it's bogus.
Ok, if it's bogus, it's bogus.
Now, I still consider transgendered teenagers to be mentally ill. Mentally ill people should not be allowed to purchase firearms.
How's that?
I'd be perfectly OK with teenagers of any persuasion not being allowed to purchase firearms period.
They're not allowed to buy a beer - why stop there?
Actually, the law usually runs 18 for long arms, 21 for handguns.
You avoided the mentally ill question, which is a hard question to answer...
wrote on 26 May 2022, 07:46 last edited byThe continuing gulf in opinion is astounding. "No common ground, no compromise"
