If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day
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@LuFins-Dad said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
I absolutely agree with giving respect to our Military and our Veterans. I've played Amazing Grace at Vets funerals, Karla has played Taps at funerals and Memorial Day Services. I've arranged for and performed with small bands playing the various Military Marches for Veterans Groups and Holiday Parades. Every single person I meet in uniform, I thank for their service. I also thank every Vet that I meet.
I do not, however, equate the US Flag and Anthem to the military. Those are representative of all of us and our predecessors. It is about the ideals and values this nation holds true. The Military are a part of that, but so is everybody else. To only equate the Flag and the Anthem to the military belittles both. Our country is more than the military.
The flag, the anthem and the military are different things, of course they are not equated.
They all represent and are symbols of the same thing, us, our country. And for that reason deserve respect.
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@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
That really sounds like the classic spoiled millennial.
I said what I feel in the original post on this subject.
That really sounds like the classic spoiled millennial.
That is exactly what your post sounded like, the classic spoiled millennial.
What you do during the playing of the national anthem has nothing to do with it.
That has nothing to do with whether either of us participate in any social norms.
You really have trouble following a topic.
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@xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
Forced etiquette for national anthems or other patriotic signals have always rubbed me the wrong way.
I think it comes from knowing a bunch of religious people growing up that “went through the motions” and signaled piety - but acted very obviously against basics ethos and teachings of the religion when there wasn’t a “prescribed motion” available.
I feel very strong about the role of civics in society - but not a huge fan of signaling piety, patriotism, virtue through rituals.
It's not a "patriotic signal". Its a matter of respect. The national anthem and our flag stand because tens of thousands of men and women left their families and sacrificed their lives so that we would continue to enjoy the rights and freedoms we enjoy. All you've been asked to do is honor their memory for a couple of minutes as a show of respect. Where I come from, people are very polite. But if you don't stand for the national anthem, if you don't stand for the pledge to our flag, someone will likely politely kick your ass.
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Also, if I'm in another cou try and am somewhere where that cou Grey's national anthem is played or their flag is being paid respect to, I'm going to show my respect in the same way the citizens do. Thats because they too are honoring those who sacrificed themselves for the good of their nation. If i am so self righteous and self centered that i cant be bothered with showing that respect, i deser e to get my ass kicked out of their country. Likewise, anyone too self centered to be bothered with showing respect for our flag or national anthem can get the hell out from here as well.
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@Larry my point was that overt signals and rituals of piety/respect/virtue reduce the need to actually do something.
People go through the motions and check the boxes.
It’s the same logic as disliking virtue signaling.
Putting so much emphasis on the rituals absolves people of doing real things that make a difference.
Perhaps a social norm should be young people visiting senior vets and learning a thing or two. Maybe there should be higher social hurdles to pass before we start getting into a hissy fit and beating up people.
It’s like making your kid grudgingly go to church every Sunday instead of putting in the work to make the religion relevant to them.
My point was that the bar is too low. Standing up for an anthem is easy.
But, the only thing the vast majority of people feel obligated to do to show respect to the military is stand up for an anthem.
The bar for doing your part in a civic society is so ridiculously low.
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@xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
@Larry my point was that overt signals and rituals of piety/respect/virtue reduce the need to actually do something.
People go through the motions and check the boxes.
It’s the same logic as disliking virtue signaling.
Putting so much emphasis on the rituals absolves people of doing real things that make a difference.
Perhaps a social norm should be young people visiting senior vets and learning a thing or two. Maybe there should be higher social hurdles to pass before we start getting into a hissy fit and beating up people.
It’s like making your kid grudgingly go to church every Sunday instead of putting in the work to make the religion relevant to them.
My point was that the bar is too low. Standing up for an anthem is easy.
But, the only thing the vast majority of people feel obligated to do to show respect to the military is stand up for an anthem.
The bar for doing your part in a civic society is so ridiculously low.
A Southern boy is much more likely to stand while the anthem is playing. Say what you will, those boys eventually make up a huge portion of the noncommisioned officer corps of the U.S. Army. And the commissioned officers.
Maybe it's because the South is more militaristic. Maybe it's because we respect tradition just a little bit more. Or maybe it's because so many of our ancestors have been laid to rest with the flag draped on the coffin.
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" my point was that overt signals and rituals of piety/respect/virtue reduce the need to actually do something. "
That's an opinion you have, but not one I share. One does not lead to the other.
So I'll put it this way... if you find me sitting next to you at a football game and you hear the announcer tell everyone to stand for the national anthem, you might want to stand.......
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@LuFins-Dad said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
Well, aside from here, are any of you really even discussing this on traditional social media? I’m sure as hell not.
This past Tuesday was I guess #blackouttuesday on social media. People posted black squares in support of...black lives, I guess?
If you scrolled Instagram, it was dozens of black squares in a row.
So what did I post that evening? This. A photo from my walk with my daughter that evening. The timing of my post was not by accident.
