If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day
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Forced etiquette for national anthems or other patriotic signals have always rubbed me the wrong way.
I think it comes from knowing a bunch of religious people growing up that “went through the motions” and signaled piety - but acted very obviously against basics ethos and teachings of the religion when there wasn’t a “prescribed motion” available.
I feel very strong about the role of civics in society - but not a huge fan of signaling piety, patriotism, virtue through rituals.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:30 last edited by@xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
Forced etiquette for national anthems or other patriotic signals have always rubbed me the wrong way.
I think it comes from knowing a bunch of religious people growing up that “went through the motions” and signaled piety - but acted very obviously against basics ethos and teachings of the religion when there wasn’t a “prescribed motion” available.
I feel very strong about the role of civics in society - but not a huge fan of signaling piety, patriotism, virtue through rituals.
That really sounds like the classic spoiled millennial.
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@xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
Forced etiquette for national anthems or other patriotic signals have always rubbed me the wrong way.
I think it comes from knowing a bunch of religious people growing up that “went through the motions” and signaled piety - but acted very obviously against basics ethos and teachings of the religion when there wasn’t a “prescribed motion” available.
I feel very strong about the role of civics in society - but not a huge fan of signaling piety, patriotism, virtue through rituals.
That really sounds like the classic spoiled millennial.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:44 last edited by xenon 6 Jun 2020, 20:45@Copper With all due respect, Copper - I don’t think you have a clue what you’re talking about.
My family history is littered with people who have been on the losing side national wars. I’ve had extended family members simply disappear because of the state (within the past 30 years). I have an appreciation of the actual cost of living under illiberal regimes.
It’s a privilege to even have a country to fight for.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:57 last edited by
I know exactly what I am talking about, I am commenting on your behavior.
I know nothing about your family.
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We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 20:59 last edited by@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
I absolutely agree with giving respect to our Military and our Veterans. I've played Amazing Grace at Vets funerals, Karla has played Taps at funerals and Memorial Day Services. I've arranged for and performed with small bands playing the various Military Marches for Veterans Groups and Holiday Parades. Every single person I meet in uniform, I thank for their service. I also thank every Vet that I meet.
I do not, however, equate the US Flag and Anthem to the military. Those are representative of all of us and our predecessors. It is about the ideals and values this nation holds true. The Military are a part of that, but so is everybody else. To only equate the Flag and the Anthem to the military belittles both. Our country is more than the military.
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I know exactly what I am talking about, I am commenting on your behavior.
I know nothing about your family.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:27 last edited by
I would choose to stay home and live off of my CARES act payments for four months.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:40 last edited by
@xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
@Copper you know nothing about my behavior either.
It is quoted above, go take a look.
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@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
I absolutely agree with giving respect to our Military and our Veterans. I've played Amazing Grace at Vets funerals, Karla has played Taps at funerals and Memorial Day Services. I've arranged for and performed with small bands playing the various Military Marches for Veterans Groups and Holiday Parades. Every single person I meet in uniform, I thank for their service. I also thank every Vet that I meet.
I do not, however, equate the US Flag and Anthem to the military. Those are representative of all of us and our predecessors. It is about the ideals and values this nation holds true. The Military are a part of that, but so is everybody else. To only equate the Flag and the Anthem to the military belittles both. Our country is more than the military.
wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:42 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
I absolutely agree with giving respect to our Military and our Veterans. I've played Amazing Grace at Vets funerals, Karla has played Taps at funerals and Memorial Day Services. I've arranged for and performed with small bands playing the various Military Marches for Veterans Groups and Holiday Parades. Every single person I meet in uniform, I thank for their service. I also thank every Vet that I meet.
I do not, however, equate the US Flag and Anthem to the military. Those are representative of all of us and our predecessors. It is about the ideals and values this nation holds true. The Military are a part of that, but so is everybody else. To only equate the Flag and the Anthem to the military belittles both. Our country is more than the military.
The flag, the anthem and the military are different things, of course they are not equated.
They all represent and are symbols of the same thing, us, our country. And for that reason deserve respect.
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@xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
@Copper you know nothing about my behavior either.
It is quoted above, go take a look.
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 21:58 last edited by
@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
@xenon it is
This is silly. Quote it
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 22:00 last edited by
@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
You wrote it
and I did quoted itit begins with
Forced etiquette
and ends with
rituals
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@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
You wrote it
and I did quoted itit begins with
Forced etiquette
and ends with
rituals
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wrote on 6 Jun 2020, 23:36 last edited by
@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
That really sounds like the classic spoiled millennial.
I said what I feel in the original post on this subject.
That really sounds like the classic spoiled millennial.
That is exactly what your post sounded like, the classic spoiled millennial.
What you do during the playing of the national anthem has nothing to do with it.
That has nothing to do with whether either of us participate in any social norms.
You really have trouble following a topic.
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@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
That really sounds like the classic spoiled millennial.
I said what I feel in the original post on this subject.
That really sounds like the classic spoiled millennial.
That is exactly what your post sounded like, the classic spoiled millennial.
What you do during the playing of the national anthem has nothing to do with it.
That has nothing to do with whether either of us participate in any social norms.
You really have trouble following a topic.
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Forced etiquette for national anthems or other patriotic signals have always rubbed me the wrong way.
I think it comes from knowing a bunch of religious people growing up that “went through the motions” and signaled piety - but acted very obviously against basics ethos and teachings of the religion when there wasn’t a “prescribed motion” available.
I feel very strong about the role of civics in society - but not a huge fan of signaling piety, patriotism, virtue through rituals.
wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 00:34 last edited by@xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
Forced etiquette for national anthems or other patriotic signals have always rubbed me the wrong way.
I think it comes from knowing a bunch of religious people growing up that “went through the motions” and signaled piety - but acted very obviously against basics ethos and teachings of the religion when there wasn’t a “prescribed motion” available.
I feel very strong about the role of civics in society - but not a huge fan of signaling piety, patriotism, virtue through rituals.
It's not a "patriotic signal". Its a matter of respect. The national anthem and our flag stand because tens of thousands of men and women left their families and sacrificed their lives so that we would continue to enjoy the rights and freedoms we enjoy. All you've been asked to do is honor their memory for a couple of minutes as a show of respect. Where I come from, people are very polite. But if you don't stand for the national anthem, if you don't stand for the pledge to our flag, someone will likely politely kick your ass.
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wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 00:45 last edited by
Also, if I'm in another cou try and am somewhere where that cou Grey's national anthem is played or their flag is being paid respect to, I'm going to show my respect in the same way the citizens do. Thats because they too are honoring those who sacrificed themselves for the good of their nation. If i am so self righteous and self centered that i cant be bothered with showing that respect, i deser e to get my ass kicked out of their country. Likewise, anyone too self centered to be bothered with showing respect for our flag or national anthem can get the hell out from here as well.
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wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 00:48 last edited by
Hell, I stand for Dixie.
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wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 00:49 last edited by
@Jolly said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
Hell, I stand for Dixie.
Jolly wins the "Unsurprising Post Of The Day" award.
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wrote on 7 Jun 2020, 00:51 last edited by