If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day
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Forced etiquette for national anthems or other patriotic signals have always rubbed me the wrong way.
I think it comes from knowing a bunch of religious people growing up that “went through the motions” and signaled piety - but acted very obviously against basics ethos and teachings of the religion when there wasn’t a “prescribed motion” available.
I feel very strong about the role of civics in society - but not a huge fan of signaling piety, patriotism, virtue through rituals.
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I'd kneel, assuming my knees were up to the task. The albatross of being considered a racist would not be worth making whatever nuanced point I would be making by not kneeling. Distressingly large parts of life are about absurd ritual anyway. What's one more?
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I'd kneel, assuming my knees were up to the task. The albatross of being considered a racist would not be worth making whatever nuanced point I would be making by not kneeling. Distressingly large parts of life are about absurd ritual anyway. What's one more?
@Horace said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
I'd kneel, assuming my knees were up to the task. The albatross of being considered a racist would not be worth making whatever nuanced point I would be making by not kneeling. Distressingly large parts of life are about absurd ritual anyway. What's one more?
Nuance died in 2020. For real.
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@Horace said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
Would you
kneelstand up and put your hand over your heart? Assume all of your coworkers werekneelingstanding up and putting their hands over their hearts.Once you see the question in the normalized form, it should be obvious that Phibes and xenon have the right answer.
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Well, aside from here, are any of you really even discussing this on traditional social media? I’m sure as hell not.
The Brad
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Well, aside from here, are any of you really even discussing this on traditional social media? I’m sure as hell not.
@LuFins-Dad I’ll go as far as my WhatsApp extended family group.
That’s the worst part of all this.
I want to say stupid and wrong things and be corrected, not cancelled.
I want to try and persuade others without my motives coming into question.
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@LuFins-Dad I’ll go as far as my WhatsApp extended family group.
That’s the worst part of all this.
I want to say stupid and wrong things and be corrected, not cancelled.
I want to try and persuade others without my motives coming into question.
@xenon even posting a sincere statistical analysis showing that per criminal arrest that African Americans are no more likely to have a violent encounter with police than other races will cost you an awful lot.
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We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
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We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
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Forced etiquette for national anthems or other patriotic signals have always rubbed me the wrong way.
I think it comes from knowing a bunch of religious people growing up that “went through the motions” and signaled piety - but acted very obviously against basics ethos and teachings of the religion when there wasn’t a “prescribed motion” available.
I feel very strong about the role of civics in society - but not a huge fan of signaling piety, patriotism, virtue through rituals.
@xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
Forced etiquette for national anthems or other patriotic signals have always rubbed me the wrong way.
I think it comes from knowing a bunch of religious people growing up that “went through the motions” and signaled piety - but acted very obviously against basics ethos and teachings of the religion when there wasn’t a “prescribed motion” available.
I feel very strong about the role of civics in society - but not a huge fan of signaling piety, patriotism, virtue through rituals.
That really sounds like the classic spoiled millennial.
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@xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
Forced etiquette for national anthems or other patriotic signals have always rubbed me the wrong way.
I think it comes from knowing a bunch of religious people growing up that “went through the motions” and signaled piety - but acted very obviously against basics ethos and teachings of the religion when there wasn’t a “prescribed motion” available.
I feel very strong about the role of civics in society - but not a huge fan of signaling piety, patriotism, virtue through rituals.
That really sounds like the classic spoiled millennial.
@Copper With all due respect, Copper - I don’t think you have a clue what you’re talking about.
My family history is littered with people who have been on the losing side national wars. I’ve had extended family members simply disappear because of the state (within the past 30 years). I have an appreciation of the actual cost of living under illiberal regimes.
It’s a privilege to even have a country to fight for.
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We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
I absolutely agree with giving respect to our Military and our Veterans. I've played Amazing Grace at Vets funerals, Karla has played Taps at funerals and Memorial Day Services. I've arranged for and performed with small bands playing the various Military Marches for Veterans Groups and Holiday Parades. Every single person I meet in uniform, I thank for their service. I also thank every Vet that I meet.
I do not, however, equate the US Flag and Anthem to the military. Those are representative of all of us and our predecessors. It is about the ideals and values this nation holds true. The Military are a part of that, but so is everybody else. To only equate the Flag and the Anthem to the military belittles both. Our country is more than the military.
The Brad
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I know exactly what I am talking about, I am commenting on your behavior.
I know nothing about your family.
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@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
I absolutely agree with giving respect to our Military and our Veterans. I've played Amazing Grace at Vets funerals, Karla has played Taps at funerals and Memorial Day Services. I've arranged for and performed with small bands playing the various Military Marches for Veterans Groups and Holiday Parades. Every single person I meet in uniform, I thank for their service. I also thank every Vet that I meet.
I do not, however, equate the US Flag and Anthem to the military. Those are representative of all of us and our predecessors. It is about the ideals and values this nation holds true. The Military are a part of that, but so is everybody else. To only equate the Flag and the Anthem to the military belittles both. Our country is more than the military.
@LuFins-Dad said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
@Copper said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
We had military marches playing as we marched into and out of our elementary school.
We weren't very far removed from WW II. Most parents of this generation had served.
We understood that the military of our country protected us from those who would do us harm.
Those who reject the ritual of the anthem probably never had to worry about the need for protection or the idea of recognizing those who gave us that protection.
There are still real threats to life and liberty. A strong military and respect for it will give us some protection.
A bit of respect is a small price to pay.
I absolutely agree with giving respect to our Military and our Veterans. I've played Amazing Grace at Vets funerals, Karla has played Taps at funerals and Memorial Day Services. I've arranged for and performed with small bands playing the various Military Marches for Veterans Groups and Holiday Parades. Every single person I meet in uniform, I thank for their service. I also thank every Vet that I meet.
I do not, however, equate the US Flag and Anthem to the military. Those are representative of all of us and our predecessors. It is about the ideals and values this nation holds true. The Military are a part of that, but so is everybody else. To only equate the Flag and the Anthem to the military belittles both. Our country is more than the military.
The flag, the anthem and the military are different things, of course they are not equated.
They all represent and are symbols of the same thing, us, our country. And for that reason deserve respect.
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@xenon said in If you had a job where they played the anthem at the start of the work day:
@Copper you know nothing about my behavior either.
It is quoted above, go take a look.
