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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 11 May 2022, 12:19 last edited by
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    May the odds ever be in your favor.

    Let the games begin.

    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 11 May 2022, 12:19 last edited by
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      Seriously though I'd expect it to be resolved by then.

      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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        89th
        wrote on 11 May 2022, 12:51 last edited by
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        We have about 1,821 ounces of frozen breast milk in the freezer if anyone needs any.

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        • 8 89th
          11 May 2022, 12:51

          We have about 1,821 ounces of frozen breast milk in the freezer if anyone needs any.

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          Boris
          wrote on 11 May 2022, 13:27 last edited by
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          @89th said in Baby Formula:

          We have about 1,821 ounces of frozen breast milk in the freezer if anyone needs any.

          I can haz milk?

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            11 May 2022, 12:51

            We have about 1,821 ounces of frozen breast milk in the freezer if anyone needs any.

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            Axtremus
            wrote on 11 May 2022, 16:34 last edited by
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            @89th said in Baby Formula:

            We have about 1,821 ounces of frozen breast milk in the freezer if anyone needs any.

            May you have reliable electricity supply and reliable freezer.

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              Axtremus
              wrote on 11 May 2022, 16:37 last edited by Axtremus 5 Nov 2022, 18:08
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              Assuming 20 oz. per day per baby on average, that’s a neat 90 days’ supply. You folks planned it that way or is it just a coincidence?

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                Jolly
                wrote on 11 May 2022, 17:17 last edited by
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                They're raising a pig.

                Times are hard...

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  11 May 2022, 17:17

                  They're raising a pig.

                  Times are hard...

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                  89th
                  wrote on 11 May 2022, 18:00 last edited by
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                  @Jolly said in Baby Formula:

                  They're raising a pig.

                  Times are hard...

                  He sure acts like one!

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                    George K
                    wrote on 11 May 2022, 22:13 last edited by
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                    I know, it's a silly meme. But I still smiled.

                    FSgJYSVWQAMWFke.jpeg

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Axtremus
                      wrote on 12 May 2022, 20:51 last edited by
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                      https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/baby-formula-shortage-abbott-recall/629828/

                      Article analyzing the causes for baby formula shortage in the USA. One of the causes cited is US trade policy, including a provision signed into the USMCA (Trump's revision to NAFTA) that discourages importation of baby formula from Canada.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 12 May 2022, 21:10 last edited by
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                        You think those mamas will care?

                        All they know, is they can't beg, borrow or steal formula, and it's on Biden's watch.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          12 May 2022, 20:51

                          https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/baby-formula-shortage-abbott-recall/629828/

                          Article analyzing the causes for baby formula shortage in the USA. One of the causes cited is US trade policy, including a provision signed into the USMCA (Trump's revision to NAFTA) that discourages importation of baby formula from Canada.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 12 May 2022, 21:17 last edited by
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                          "Do not take."

                          This is, of course, a negligible amount, in the big scheme of things.

                          One of the causes cited is US trade policy, including a provision signed into the USMCA (Trump's revision to NAFTA) that discourages importation of baby formula from Canada.

                          Other causes, perhaps more important:

                          FDA regulation of formula is so stringent that most of the stuff that comes out of Europe is illegal to buy here due to technicalities like labeling requirements. Nevertheless, one study found that many European formulas meet the FDA nutritional guidelines—and, in some ways, might even be better than American formula, because the European Union bans certain sugars, such as corn syrup, and requires formulas to have a higher share of lactose.

                          Yeah, I'd guess that FDA regulations are a bigger factor (and they're mentioned first in the article) than the re-negotiated NAFTA agreement.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on 12 May 2022, 21:22 last edited by
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                            I suspect most pharmacists could jot down a homemade formula recipe pretty easy.

                            Of course, the FDA would tell you that it would be unsafe and it's better if the child starves...

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              12 May 2022, 21:17

                              "Do not take."

                              This is, of course, a negligible amount, in the big scheme of things.

                              One of the causes cited is US trade policy, including a provision signed into the USMCA (Trump's revision to NAFTA) that discourages importation of baby formula from Canada.

                              Other causes, perhaps more important:

                              FDA regulation of formula is so stringent that most of the stuff that comes out of Europe is illegal to buy here due to technicalities like labeling requirements. Nevertheless, one study found that many European formulas meet the FDA nutritional guidelines—and, in some ways, might even be better than American formula, because the European Union bans certain sugars, such as corn syrup, and requires formulas to have a higher share of lactose.

                              Yeah, I'd guess that FDA regulations are a bigger factor (and they're mentioned first in the article) than the re-negotiated NAFTA agreement.

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                              Axtremus
                              wrote on 12 May 2022, 21:22 last edited by
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                              @George-K , based on what information sources do you claim that (1) USMCA has negligible effect on the shortage and (2) that FDA regulations are the much bugger culprit?

                              You may well be correct on or both counts, but it would be nice to know how you come to those two claims.

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                                Axtremus
                                wrote on 12 May 2022, 21:23 last edited by
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                                The Biden administration’s announced steps to tackle the baby formula shortage:

                                https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/12/fact-sheet-president-biden-announces-additional-steps-to-address-infant-formula-shortage/

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 12 May 2022, 21:24 last edited by
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                                  Yep, they've got a plan.

                                  Hope it works better than most of their other plans...

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    Axtremus
                                    wrote on 12 May 2022, 21:25 last edited by
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                                    The FDA’s plan to tackle the shortage:

                                    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-takes-important-steps-improve-supply-infant-and-specialty-formula-products

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                                      12 May 2022, 21:22

                                      @George-K , based on what information sources do you claim that (1) USMCA has negligible effect on the shortage and (2) that FDA regulations are the much bugger culprit?

                                      You may well be correct on or both counts, but it would be nice to know how you come to those two claims.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 12 May 2022, 21:27 last edited by
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                                      @Axtremus said in Baby Formula:

                                      @George-K , based on what information sources do you claim that (1) USMCA has negligible effect on the shortage and (2) that FDA regulations are the much bugger culprit?

                                      1. The picture that the congresswoman posted is probably a small amount in the overall shortage. Diverting one warehouse's supply to the southern border doesn't create a shortage. Similarly, releasing it to the general population won't cure it. Negligible.

                                      2. Your article mentions the re-negotiated NAFTA second, as opposed to the strict FDA regulations. I can only assume that NAFTS is a secondary cause. I didn't say that the effect USMCA was negligible. I was referring to the congresswoman's tweet.

                                      But, please let us know if you find something different. Thank you.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • J jon-nyc
                                        11 May 2022, 12:19

                                        Seriously though I'd expect it to be resolved by then.

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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on 12 May 2022, 23:14 last edited by
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                                        @jon-nyc said in Baby Formula:

                                        Seriously though I'd expect it to be resolved by then.

                                        Although the shortages could last months after all supply issues are resolved if people start hoarding. Which they will.

                                        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                          Copper
                                          wrote on 12 May 2022, 23:19 last edited by
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                                          And then the murders began.

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