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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #13

    You think those mamas will care?

    All they know, is they can't beg, borrow or steal formula, and it's on Biden's watch.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • AxtremusA Axtremus

      https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/baby-formula-shortage-abbott-recall/629828/

      Article analyzing the causes for baby formula shortage in the USA. One of the causes cited is US trade policy, including a provision signed into the USMCA (Trump's revision to NAFTA) that discourages importation of baby formula from Canada.

      George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #14

      "Do not take."

      This is, of course, a negligible amount, in the big scheme of things.

      One of the causes cited is US trade policy, including a provision signed into the USMCA (Trump's revision to NAFTA) that discourages importation of baby formula from Canada.

      Other causes, perhaps more important:

      FDA regulation of formula is so stringent that most of the stuff that comes out of Europe is illegal to buy here due to technicalities like labeling requirements. Nevertheless, one study found that many European formulas meet the FDA nutritional guidelines—and, in some ways, might even be better than American formula, because the European Union bans certain sugars, such as corn syrup, and requires formulas to have a higher share of lactose.

      Yeah, I'd guess that FDA regulations are a bigger factor (and they're mentioned first in the article) than the re-negotiated NAFTA agreement.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #15

        I suspect most pharmacists could jot down a homemade formula recipe pretty easy.

        Of course, the FDA would tell you that it would be unsafe and it's better if the child starves...

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • George KG George K

          "Do not take."

          This is, of course, a negligible amount, in the big scheme of things.

          One of the causes cited is US trade policy, including a provision signed into the USMCA (Trump's revision to NAFTA) that discourages importation of baby formula from Canada.

          Other causes, perhaps more important:

          FDA regulation of formula is so stringent that most of the stuff that comes out of Europe is illegal to buy here due to technicalities like labeling requirements. Nevertheless, one study found that many European formulas meet the FDA nutritional guidelines—and, in some ways, might even be better than American formula, because the European Union bans certain sugars, such as corn syrup, and requires formulas to have a higher share of lactose.

          Yeah, I'd guess that FDA regulations are a bigger factor (and they're mentioned first in the article) than the re-negotiated NAFTA agreement.

          AxtremusA Away
          AxtremusA Away
          Axtremus
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          #16

          @George-K , based on what information sources do you claim that (1) USMCA has negligible effect on the shortage and (2) that FDA regulations are the much bugger culprit?

          You may well be correct on or both counts, but it would be nice to know how you come to those two claims.

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          • AxtremusA Away
            AxtremusA Away
            Axtremus
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            #17

            The Biden administration’s announced steps to tackle the baby formula shortage:

            https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/12/fact-sheet-president-biden-announces-additional-steps-to-address-infant-formula-shortage/

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
              wrote on last edited by
              #18

              Yep, they've got a plan.

              Hope it works better than most of their other plans...

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • AxtremusA Away
                AxtremusA Away
                Axtremus
                wrote on last edited by
                #19

                The FDA’s plan to tackle the shortage:

                https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-takes-important-steps-improve-supply-infant-and-specialty-formula-products

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  @George-K , based on what information sources do you claim that (1) USMCA has negligible effect on the shortage and (2) that FDA regulations are the much bugger culprit?

                  You may well be correct on or both counts, but it would be nice to know how you come to those two claims.

                  George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #20

                  @Axtremus said in Baby Formula:

                  @George-K , based on what information sources do you claim that (1) USMCA has negligible effect on the shortage and (2) that FDA regulations are the much bugger culprit?

                  1. The picture that the congresswoman posted is probably a small amount in the overall shortage. Diverting one warehouse's supply to the southern border doesn't create a shortage. Similarly, releasing it to the general population won't cure it. Negligible.

                  2. Your article mentions the re-negotiated NAFTA second, as opposed to the strict FDA regulations. I can only assume that NAFTS is a secondary cause. I didn't say that the effect USMCA was negligible. I was referring to the congresswoman's tweet.

                  But, please let us know if you find something different. Thank you.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    Seriously though I'd expect it to be resolved by then.

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #21

                    @jon-nyc said in Baby Formula:

                    Seriously though I'd expect it to be resolved by then.

                    Although the shortages could last months after all supply issues are resolved if people start hoarding. Which they will.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                      Copper
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                      And then the murders began.

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #23

                        So some poor woman will be forced to give birth to a baby she doesn't want, but then won't have any formula to feed it.

                        She won't know who to blame for her predicament!

                        I was only joking

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #24

                          Well, the Dems were on it today, like white on rice. On a paper plate. In a snowstorm.

                          Pelosi. Psaki. Anybody who could grab a microphone. In one week a political party went from trying to kill children before they're born to decrying whether babies could get the right formula.

                          You can't make this stuff up....

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • 89th8 Offline
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                            89th
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                            #25

                            Ok stupid question. What did babies do for the 10,000 last years before formula was available? And yes, spare me the "half would die before 2" statistic.

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                            • 89th8 89th

                              Ok stupid question. What did babies do for the 10,000 last years before formula was available? And yes, spare me the "half would die before 2" statistic.

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by George K
                              #26

                              @89th said in Baby Formula:

                              Ok stupid question. What did babies do for the 10,000 last years before formula was available? And yes, spare me the "half would die before 2" statistic.

                              Moms didn't work and nursed.

                              Or, there were wet nurses.

                              Link to video

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                @89th said in Baby Formula:

                                Ok stupid question. What did babies do for the 10,000 last years before formula was available? And yes, spare me the "half would die before 2" statistic.

                                Moms didn't work and nursed.

                                Or, there were wet nurses.

                                Link to video

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                                89th
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #27

                                @George-K said in Baby Formula:

                                @89th said in Baby Formula:

                                Ok stupid question. What did babies do for the 10,000 last years before formula was available? And yes, spare me the "half would die before 2" statistic.

                                Moms didn't work and nursed.

                                Yeah many (including my wife) worked and pumped at work... hence the 1,800 ounces we still have. This supply issue, don't get me wrong, is a major issue for those who legitimately rely on it. For others, including some of my wife's friends with babies, it's more of an annoyance as they have said "Well I guess I have to keep pumping/feeding instead of converting to formula after 6 months".

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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/baby-formula-shortage-abbott-recall/629828/

                                  Article analyzing the causes for baby formula shortage in the USA. One of the causes cited is US trade policy, including a provision signed into the USMCA (Trump's revision to NAFTA) that discourages importation of baby formula from Canada.

                                  LarryL Offline
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                                  Larry
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #28

                                  @Axtremus said in Baby Formula:

                                  https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/baby-formula-shortage-abbott-recall/629828/

                                  Article analyzing the causes for baby formula shortage in the USA. One of the causes cited is US trade policy, including a provision signed into the USMCA (Trump's revision to NAFTA) that discourages importation of baby formula from Canada.

                                  You're like a fucking broken record. A leftwing propaganda machine.

                                  There is no baby formula shortage..... well, at least not if you're an illegal coming across Biden's open Southern border.. you'll get a free supply of baby formula.

                                  That's right - while our own citizens have to live in fear of not being able to feed their children, the fucking fool Biden is handing it out free to anyone who wants it as they violate our laws.

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                                    George K
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                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                      So some poor woman will be forced to give birth to a baby she doesn't want, but then won't have any formula to feed it.

                                      She won't know who to blame for her predicament!

                                      Catseye3C Offline
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                                      Catseye3
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #30

                                      @Doctor-Phibes No worries. She hangs around social media for ten minutes, she'll have more solutions than she'll ever be able to use.

                                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        "Do not take."

                                        This is, of course, a negligible amount, in the big scheme of things.

                                        One of the causes cited is US trade policy, including a provision signed into the USMCA (Trump's revision to NAFTA) that discourages importation of baby formula from Canada.

                                        Other causes, perhaps more important:

                                        FDA regulation of formula is so stringent that most of the stuff that comes out of Europe is illegal to buy here due to technicalities like labeling requirements. Nevertheless, one study found that many European formulas meet the FDA nutritional guidelines—and, in some ways, might even be better than American formula, because the European Union bans certain sugars, such as corn syrup, and requires formulas to have a higher share of lactose.

                                        Yeah, I'd guess that FDA regulations are a bigger factor (and they're mentioned first in the article) than the re-negotiated NAFTA agreement.

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #31

                                        @George-K said in Baby Formula:

                                        .

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #32

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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