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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #562

    Interesting piece on the changing face of warfare.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/a-whole-age-of-warfare-sank-with-the-moskva/ar-AAXA7xC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c5940564a8a74d2d95fbe505ca9241cc

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
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      #563

      Wolverines:

      https://globalnews.ca/news/8844089/ukraine-wolverines/?fbclid=IwAR2wn7HcuZUgz6IllzhUGSOZYRo96ucy-lwXEzbVPr_8ydyOZM4tyjHatzk

      Elbows up!

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      • RenaudaR Renauda

        Wolverines:

        https://globalnews.ca/news/8844089/ukraine-wolverines/?fbclid=IwAR2wn7HcuZUgz6IllzhUGSOZYRo96ucy-lwXEzbVPr_8ydyOZM4tyjHatzk

        George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #564

        @Renauda do you have a sense, from your friends, etc, who are in the thick of the conflict, of how things are going?

        Recent reports seem to indicate that Russia is making progress in the East, albeit slow. British MoD agrees with this, but they also say that as the continue to move Westward supplies will be constrained, and the move will be costly.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG George K

          @Renauda do you have a sense, from your friends, etc, who are in the thick of the conflict, of how things are going?

          Recent reports seem to indicate that Russia is making progress in the East, albeit slow. British MoD agrees with this, but they also say that as the continue to move Westward supplies will be constrained, and the move will be costly.

          RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by
          #565

          @George-K

          Probably not as well as media reports suggest. The weight of numbers on the Russian side is beginning to tell in the Donbas. Ukrainian losses are, as Zelenskyi stated yesterday, taking their toll. Ukrainian morale however remains high.

          Elbows up!

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by
            #566

            The Ukrainians know their history:

            https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/rail-lines-blown-up-again-in-occupied-melitopol-partisan-attack-claimed.html?fbclid=IwAR0ATcLKs3OlB5DShYeUs8RBwNASzQeXfhee5E6O3Tb9ZYDuGsjIJcOf6tc

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              The Ukrainians know their history:

              https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/rail-lines-blown-up-again-in-occupied-melitopol-partisan-attack-claimed.html?fbclid=IwAR0ATcLKs3OlB5DShYeUs8RBwNASzQeXfhee5E6O3Tb9ZYDuGsjIJcOf6tc

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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #567

              @Renauda one of the things that's been a hallmark of this strategy is the poor supply line logistics of the Russians. It doomed them in their attempted blitzkrieg attack on Kiev.

              Looks like the Ukrainians are picking up that strategy in the east.

              Hope it continues to work.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #568

                What's the politics behind this?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #569

                  "Refused to fight"

                  Really?

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #570

                    I take that as a good thing.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • George KG George K

                      What's the politics behind this?

                      jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #571

                      @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      What's the politics behind this?

                      Why doesn’t Germany just say “how cute, you have an opinion”

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        What's the politics behind this?

                        Why doesn’t Germany just say “how cute, you have an opinion”

                        George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by George K
                        #572

                        @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        Why doesn’t Germany just say “how cute, you have an opinion”

                        In the thread, there are comments saying that the contracts under which Germany acquired the weapons have restrictions as to how they can, and IF they can, sell/give to 3rd parties.

                        And, because I'm a Twitter n00b, I can't find it.

                        Wait...

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #573

                          Supposedly Turkey has backed off of its opposition to Sweden's NATO membership.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by Mik
                            #574

                            Good. But I wonder what that cost us.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • George KG George K

                              "Refused to fight"

                              Really?

                              RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #575

                              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              "Refused to fight"

                              Really?

                              There may be something to that, though I would like to see more reporting and think tank commentary on it.

                              https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/sources-ukrainian-citizens-dragooned-into-uniform-for-rf-refusing-to-fight.html

                              Elbows up!

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #576

                                Meanwhile, back at a far greater tragedy...

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-fighter-jet-shot-down-by-ukraine-air-force-in-dogfight/ar-AAXO2dK?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8439b694a5804a9ba9ee6358d4ebc5a0

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #577

                                  I'm reading that things are not going all that well in the East, and the Russians are making gains, albeit slowly.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #578

                                    No idea if it's true, but...

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #579

                                      Sounds pretty credible. We will see.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        Sounds pretty credible. We will see.

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #580

                                        @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        Sounds pretty credible. We will see.

                                        This guy is keeping track of Russian and Ukrainian losses - but only those with photo-documentation of said losses.

                                        He claims a total of 736 Russian tanks lost as of tonight.

                                        By his count

                                        20 T90s
                                        132 T80s

                                        The rest are T70s or older/inferior.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • MikM Offline
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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #581

                                          It's amazing what you can't do with an unmotivated, uninformed, ill equipped and poorly led army.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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