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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @George-K

    Possibly although Russian officials and media are today hailing the evacuation of Avtozaval
    Steel works as a resounding victory on a par with Stalingrad. As well, countries supporting Ukraine are no longer being deemed as unfriendly. Instead they are now named as “hostile”.

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    George K
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    #558

    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

    As well, countries supporting Ukraine are no longer being deemed as unfriendly. Instead they are now considered “hostile”.

    In diplomat-world, is that a serious escalation of rhetoric?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG George K

      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

      As well, countries supporting Ukraine are no longer being deemed as unfriendly. Instead they are now considered “hostile”.

      In diplomat-world, is that a serious escalation of rhetoric?

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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #559

      @George-K

      Certainly more weighted and accusative for domestic consumption.

      In diplomacy though par for the course in terms of the propensity towards hyperbole from the Kremlin. Ominously, though we may just be seeing the end of the beginning of this war in Europe.

      Elbows up!

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        Renauda
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        #560

        Russia smuggling its own weapons from Iraq:

        https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/04/12/Iran-s-military-helping-smuggle-weapons-from-Iraq-to-Russia-Report

        Edit: I now see that this article was from 12 April. Old hat but the first I heard of it was today.

        Elbows up!

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          George K
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          #561

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • MikM Offline
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            #562

            Interesting piece on the changing face of warfare.

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/a-whole-age-of-warfare-sank-with-the-moskva/ar-AAXA7xC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c5940564a8a74d2d95fbe505ca9241cc

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              #563

              Wolverines:

              https://globalnews.ca/news/8844089/ukraine-wolverines/?fbclid=IwAR2wn7HcuZUgz6IllzhUGSOZYRo96ucy-lwXEzbVPr_8ydyOZM4tyjHatzk

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                Wolverines:

                https://globalnews.ca/news/8844089/ukraine-wolverines/?fbclid=IwAR2wn7HcuZUgz6IllzhUGSOZYRo96ucy-lwXEzbVPr_8ydyOZM4tyjHatzk

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                #564

                @Renauda do you have a sense, from your friends, etc, who are in the thick of the conflict, of how things are going?

                Recent reports seem to indicate that Russia is making progress in the East, albeit slow. British MoD agrees with this, but they also say that as the continue to move Westward supplies will be constrained, and the move will be costly.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  @Renauda do you have a sense, from your friends, etc, who are in the thick of the conflict, of how things are going?

                  Recent reports seem to indicate that Russia is making progress in the East, albeit slow. British MoD agrees with this, but they also say that as the continue to move Westward supplies will be constrained, and the move will be costly.

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                  #565

                  @George-K

                  Probably not as well as media reports suggest. The weight of numbers on the Russian side is beginning to tell in the Donbas. Ukrainian losses are, as Zelenskyi stated yesterday, taking their toll. Ukrainian morale however remains high.

                  Elbows up!

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                    #566

                    The Ukrainians know their history:

                    https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/rail-lines-blown-up-again-in-occupied-melitopol-partisan-attack-claimed.html?fbclid=IwAR0ATcLKs3OlB5DShYeUs8RBwNASzQeXfhee5E6O3Tb9ZYDuGsjIJcOf6tc

                    Elbows up!

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                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                      The Ukrainians know their history:

                      https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/rail-lines-blown-up-again-in-occupied-melitopol-partisan-attack-claimed.html?fbclid=IwAR0ATcLKs3OlB5DShYeUs8RBwNASzQeXfhee5E6O3Tb9ZYDuGsjIJcOf6tc

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                      George K
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                      #567

                      @Renauda one of the things that's been a hallmark of this strategy is the poor supply line logistics of the Russians. It doomed them in their attempted blitzkrieg attack on Kiev.

                      Looks like the Ukrainians are picking up that strategy in the east.

                      Hope it continues to work.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George K
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                        #568

                        What's the politics behind this?

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          "Refused to fight"

                          Really?

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            I take that as a good thing.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • George KG George K

                              What's the politics behind this?

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                              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              What's the politics behind this?

                              Why doesn’t Germany just say “how cute, you have an opinion”

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                What's the politics behind this?

                                Why doesn’t Germany just say “how cute, you have an opinion”

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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by George K
                                #572

                                @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Why doesn’t Germany just say “how cute, you have an opinion”

                                In the thread, there are comments saying that the contracts under which Germany acquired the weapons have restrictions as to how they can, and IF they can, sell/give to 3rd parties.

                                And, because I'm a Twitter n00b, I can't find it.

                                Wait...

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Supposedly Turkey has backed off of its opposition to Sweden's NATO membership.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    wrote on last edited by Mik
                                    #574

                                    Good. But I wonder what that cost us.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      "Refused to fight"

                                      Really?

                                      RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #575

                                      @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      "Refused to fight"

                                      Really?

                                      There may be something to that, though I would like to see more reporting and think tank commentary on it.

                                      https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/sources-ukrainian-citizens-dragooned-into-uniform-for-rf-refusing-to-fight.html

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        Meanwhile, back at a far greater tragedy...

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-fighter-jet-shot-down-by-ukraine-air-force-in-dogfight/ar-AAXO2dK?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8439b694a5804a9ba9ee6358d4ebc5a0

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          George K
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                                          I'm reading that things are not going all that well in the East, and the Russians are making gains, albeit slowly.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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